Helldivers 2 Continues to Grow!

We're talking more Helldivers 2 and how it continues grow. Plus, Sony lays off 900 even from some of it's best studios. 

Transcript

00:00.00
Jaime G
I mean see there's good stuff to kind of kick off the combo.

00:04.82
tanomsak
Right? Yeah, sitting here talking about. Okay, let's get into it hi guys welcome back to good game radio I'm here with Hiimy again tonight Monday night and ah I noticed that ah you were you were you had a good long training session.

00:11.22
Jaime G
Hello.

00:19.17
tanomsak
This afternoon with some of the guys from a Discord community playing um checking eight ah the trainings going hard for the big tournament coming up. So what's your thoughts on that hiimie.

00:30.41
Jaime G
Well I I wasn't the one that was doing the training was our is our main man poncho playing against misfit Sandman and I don't know how that went at the end of the day but they're both good I think are once you know putting in the required amount of time to become better at this game. Um. You haven't I know that you're not an fgc community um participant but I will tell you what tech and 8 is just coming keeping consistently players engaged and I've played a couple people that are on the Discord. Man, there's there's some talent.

01:11.83
tanomsak
Yeah I mean there's a lot of activity on um, going on with teching in in our Discord community. Really impressive thing to see you know lots of ah, ah, practicing and fighting and matches being played for the big ah rumble on the tarmac hosted by the sgl community. And our friend shadow nights so shout out to him for all the hard work. He's putting in getting that prepared for the I think it's later in the month this month march for the the the tournament's going to be He's gonna be running the tournament.

01:41.76
Jaime G
Um, ten tentatively because of the number of players. It's the sixteenth.

01:48.60
tanomsak
Sixteenth. Yeah, so and it's good to I mean I think we're gonna have a pretty good turnout from the good game community. So that's great to see so shout out to everybody there that stepped up and you know wants to participate and you know. Show ah show everybody what we got on the on this side of the Discord world versus the sgl you know for those folks out there. Can't wait to see what you guys bring to table too. So if you're listening on the podcast. You know, shout out to you guys and. Really excited see with that term it has in store so well else we got himi.

02:32.86
Jaime G
Ah, bunch of things floating around I mean Suicide Squad still hasn't picked up any steam. Are we surprised.

02:43.85
tanomsak
No, not surprise. That's a god you know it's already been pretty much admitted by W B that that's a total. It's been a total failure. Um, just didn't work out.

02:53.62
Jaime G
I I don't I just checked the numbers still consistently averaging 500 players which is nothing.

03:03.77
tanomsak
Yeah, was yes, that's nothing um it and I think we saw in the news today. That's so I think we saw in the news today that to have.

03:06.40
Jaime G
Now. Yeah.

03:20.75
tanomsak
Ah, Sony even started issuing some refunds for some of their digital sales of that game I think it's based on technical issues. But that's a you know that is a very bad sign because Sony doesn't issue refunds.

03:30.23
Jaime G
That's a bad sign but that'll other I've only seen that happen one other time and that was with the whole cyberpunk fiasco.

03:42.26
tanomsak
Right? Probably not. You know the same scale as I think again this is for people that having some sort of issue like not being able to get on the multiplayer or get on to match making stuff. Can't be a server issue because um.

03:59.92
tanomsak
Like we said there's only like 500 people that are currently playing. So I got a lot editing to do.

04:08.74
Jaime G
Yeah, 500 dude that I mean that's not again, 500 people that's absolutely nothing and and again for a game that can only be played online.

04:16.53
tanomsak
Right? yeah.

04:23.92
Jaime G
I mean sales numbers just just have to be abysmal for this.

04:28.32
tanomsak
Yeah, so do you think? ah rock study that do they survive this as a studio like what do you think the futurehoods are for them. Did they get enough. They get a chance I mean there's the there's there's.

04:35.79
Jaime G
Oh yeah, they said they survive it. But.

04:43.86
tanomsak
There's successful studios out there that are having layoffs right now and I think that just kind of lead us into the discussion about what happened last week with Sony dropping the surprise announcement that they were laying off 900 yep

04:53.39
Jaime G
900 employees. Yeah and and you know just before we started recording I was I was just saying how surprising this is because if if you look at you know other studios that has some layouts some of it. You could. You know you hate to hear this but you can understand it because of you know past performance but Sony right now. Not everybody but some of their studios that got impacted were insomnac and naughty dog. Um.

05:26.23
tanomsak
Yeah, and they quote they took they totally closed down their London Studio which was their primary studio that was doing Vr projects I think.

05:28.79
Jaime G
You were making it.

05:34.76
Jaime G
And we've said before PSVRTwo is probably dead in the water.

05:43.21
tanomsak
But they're bringing that over to where it's going to be can be used on Pc So I guess maybe they're thinking that Pc can ah can carry a torch for them as far as software.

05:49.48
Jaime G
And that that's.

05:57.60
Jaime G
That's that's just to grasp grasp for air as much as they can because the console isn't doing it and so they're I mean I suspect. That's what what's going to happen is what happened with the connect on the Xbox 3 60 Is that people would start buying the connect and they would start doing like some different projects with it that weren't necessarily game related so people are just trying to find like a more accessible ah vr headset that they can do some projects with and this is.

06:20.48
tanomsak
Right.

06:31.96
Jaime G
This is an option.

06:34.75
tanomsak
Yeah, but back back to the ah the layoffs so a couple of the studios you named is insomniac and naughty dog. That's an insomniac has basically did all the heavy lifting for um. Playstation 5 in the first couple years like all the big games were coming from insomnia and these guys were knocking out ratcheting clank the Spidterman Miles Morales and then Spiderman 2 um, so 3 3 big games that they that they were developing.

06:53.30
Jaime G
Um, right.

07:01.20
Jaime G
The Spiderman mm.

07:11.20
tanomsak
Ah, when the ps five dropped in I mean they you want to talk about a flagship studio that you know people just everybody was impressed by what insomniac was doing were not shielded from the layoffs. Ah, so it's very surprising. Um, it's surprising to me because you know, ah ah I'm coming from a company that in the 75 year history has never laid off a person and it's an airline this is post nine eleven you know even after everything that happened there everything that happened there and um ups and downs in the in that industry never had a layoff and it's like it's kind of like a philosophy from the founder. It's like.

08:06.59
Jaime G
Yeah.

08:08.74
tanomsak
Just take care of your people and it's like you would think that would be something that was pretty much a given you know when you're talking about a company that has that much success like you can't find a way to take care of these people these people that have. Wrecked in millions of dollars for your company. You can't find a home for them somewhere you know it's like it's crazy to me.

08:38.55
Jaime G
People I mean. Ah, yeah, but but you got her memory though. Insomniac was purchased by Sony back in 2019 Ah before they were actually part of us the Sony family they they yes, they absolutely were doing. Their fair share is more more as a what is it an independent studio the one that's serve.

08:57.48
tanomsak
Well I mean they they made the acquisition of insonac and I think it was only like two hundred and fifty million dollars when you're when you see like what acquisitions are going for nowadays billions of dollars for a studio. What do you think? what? if if insomniac.

09:03.18
Jaime G
Yeah.

09:10.38
Jaime G
Right? right? right? right.

09:15.38
tanomsak
Could be acquired right now. What do you think they would be worth if you if you were were trying to acquire them I mean I'm not this is not trick questioning I'm just wondering What do you think.

09:23.70
Jaime G
Says I value them at 743 mill yeah absolutely

09:27.20
tanomsak
Oh no way. No way they're I mean I know that the I p belongs to Sony I think it it is. It's totally dependent on what I ps that they have right.

09:41.46
Jaime G
Ah, not Spiderman but.

09:44.50
tanomsak
They truly own. They don't truly own the ips. But if they did there'd be a different story. Yeah I would say a billion dollars a billion you got to least give them a a billion little seven hundred and one dollar

09:45.65
Jaime G
Yeah, it's right. Oh you, you you went over over my estimate by a lot.

10:01.22
tanomsak
So me dollars.

10:04.82
Jaime G
Ah, okay, but but you know in in reality I mean obviously it wasn't just naughty dog. It wasn't just Insomnia but to see impact on these it kind of sends a message out that something's up.

10:21.48
Jaime G
No one's safe kind of is what I'm looking at so.

10:22.56
tanomsak
Well, it's not It's because there's ah, there's been a change in the guard right? that they're under new leadership right? and he's He's a numbers guy. Apparently he's like your budgets are too big.

10:25.35
Jaime G
So sure there's a new president. Yeah yeah.

10:36.10
Jaime G
I but.

10:40.10
tanomsak
You not? You know you got to get under control and he's doing it for him.

10:43.26
Jaime G
Um, and and see we I was just kind of hearing this today that if you see the budget for some of these games I mean Spiderman several $100000000 and ah and ah, right.

10:55.20
tanomsak
$300000000 for Spiderman 2

10:59.53
Jaime G
And the cycle of how many years to develop 5 years

11:01.25
tanomsak
It was like 5 but the thing is it's like a lot of that stuff. What's crazy about it. It's like a lot of that stuff carried over probably from the first spidterman like so it's not like they were starting from the ground.

11:14.60
Jaime G
Oh sure. Sure there's There's a lot of stuff that they reused So still though a big big budget right? If you look at.

11:20.95
tanomsak
Up. So.

11:27.89
Jaime G
Budgets I think there was like some some documentation that showed how much they they put into horizon for Bidden West something along the line of several hundred million dollars too but then you have like hell divers. 2 that just launched that probably was put together with like a fraction of those budgets and probably develop in somebody's garage and now everyone's like playing this game people can't get enough of it I mean I'm honestly look at hall divers is that a $300000000.

11:55.38
tanomsak
Right? Yeah I mean.

12:02.83
Jaime G
Budget Gape right.

12:05.10
tanomsak
Now it's not $300000000 I mean it's rent. A lot of the stuff is procedurally generated by an Ai you know by computer. Um, and so a lot of repeat assets like the buildings.

12:11.96
Jaime G
Yeah.

12:20.77
tanomsak
The buildings look the same from planet to planet and of course the bugs are all the same no matter what planet they're on same with the ah automatons right? Ah I mean yeah, there's not a lot.

12:21.20
Jaime G
Every time. Yeah.

12:36.95
tanomsak
I can't see where 300 me and I could you imagine if they had a budget of 300000000 I bet they oh my goodness. Um, it would be interesting to see what their budget was um obviously you have to pay the salaries everybody in your company for the number of years that you're working on the game. So.

12:40.12
Jaime G
Oh dude, imagine that.

12:53.96
Jaime G
Yeah.

12:56.72
tanomsak
Um, whatever that was a hundred people studio. You know we'll say you know 80 grand average maybe 70 grand average per person I don't know that's you're probably looking at.

13:14.77
tanomsak
Twenty Five million a year and in um, costs. So and um, we'll say they said 8 years I don't I mean that's since the last one was finished I guess so how.

13:15.41
Jaime G
Yeah.

13:33.56
tanomsak
Mean two hundred million over eight years maybe that seems high but I'm sure they're work in other stuff too.

13:36.65
Jaime G
Over 8 years wait wait wait but this is ah but this is over eight years you actually said a really good point there over 8 years versus more over 5 years and then the game. Launches and it's cheaper than anything else that came out at the same exact time and it and so this this games did everything right? I'm you know I agree with the argument I heard today that some is like look what hell divers did is pretty unique.

13:57.34
tanomsak
Right.

14:10.46
Jaime G
And if they can repeat that they've got lightning right there.

14:15.13
tanomsak
Right? Well I mean they just got to keep adding to it to keep the player base What they're going to do to keep the player base. But um I think they have a lot of lot of plans in store I I Guess that's a pretty good segue into.

14:32.70
tanomsak
What we're going to talk about. We're to talk about some hell divers discussion. Ah, there's been a lot of ah of sightings of stuff sightings of ah ah.

14:41.96
Jaime G
I sight it? Yeah I'm imagining like the X-files like theme song in the background.

14:49.75
tanomsak
Right? And and this is like really like yeah i's trying to kind of vibe I'm trying to hear here. It's sightings like I saw you're seeing like ah Apcs and mex and um Atv vehicles and stuff like ah. Warhogs which you bar to borrow the the name from the halo franchise.

15:07.90
Jaime G
And I actually think that somebody in our Discord posted a picture of that.

15:15.70
tanomsak
Yeah I mean there was a couple of guys in a dressord that said that they had somebody come into their to game lobby and started dropping mix for them. Ah.

15:23.60
Jaime G
Yup, yeah, and and and it was pretty exciting. This is what I love about you know the the discor takes this conversation and keeps it going all throughout the week because they're like please tell me you took pictures that please tell music pictures of that. So we have sightings and pictures in our discord about this.

15:40.10
tanomsak
Right? right? So yeah, and there's been a lot There was first. There was like 1 video and then there was another and then another and another ah and so. The question is like this. We know this stuff is coming I mean ah arrowheads already said this stuff is coming. They even have a trailer showing some of this coming ah before the game actually released. But the question is like are they purposely going into lobbies and stuff. And drop in these stratagems for players knowing that the players are going to talk about it and put it on their social media and put it an uploaded to know x and Instagram and all and the Tiktok did they.

16:29.86
Jaime G
I I'm I guess I think they are man because if you consider first off they don't have that many servers. We know that because we've all tried to connect and had to struggle. It's getting much much much much better. But they've handled so well the community for this for this game. They've they've done an amazing job I think that they're sprinkling these sightings in different ah game sessions is. Kind of further proof that they're trying to continue on that trend.

17:06.61
tanomsak
Yeah, well I mean so a part of that is are they doing it or so somebody brought this up like the hackers you know because this game is on pc you know the pc yeah there's a portion of the pc base that's going to just start. Digging into the game and messing around and we've got cheats and stuff going and coming into the game now you know where people are just you know, unlimited stratagems and all that stuff. Whatever. But um that I've heard somebody saying you know the the files for these. Mix and stuff are right? there. They're very easy they're very easy to detect um and for a good hacker. They know they can bring it into the game. You know if they know what they're doing ah but interesting that person also made. Ah, the note was it's so easy to find within the files. It's like it raises the question did arrowhead purposely make it that easy knowing that the pc guys are going to come in and start pulling these files and in bringing them into their games I don't know either way I think it's very viable. We haven't really heard anything from arrowhead and their Ceo is all over Twitter right? or it's. X like he's he's a social media. Dude he's out over it and he has not said anything about it like it's very strange. Ah.

18:31.52
Jaime G
And oh he's in his in his in his penhouse just being like I got them right? where I want them.

18:36.39
tanomsak
Right? It's like I think this guy is a master of like so like social marketing right? like he's he's got is he is either him or he's got his like evil executive officer stand there whispering to him you're like now. Say this or now let's do this, you know, ah because like for them for all this to be happening in them not to really talk about it like just leads me to believe that yes, they're green lighting it and they know exactly what they're doing. It is funny and it's so perfect for a space-based game. Right? It's like like you were talking about aliens and x-file store stuff like this. It's like people. It's like first you get the mix then you got people like pointing out look there's lights in the sky I think that's the the other alien faction up there. You know it's like now we're gonna start seeing like ah appearances of like other aliens.

19:13.67
Jaime G
And yeah I was just right right? I.

19:33.15
tanomsak
Just showing up in matches and stuff that you watch right before that they reveal the next faction there'll be sightings of that faction on people's games and stuff I Love how they're doing it.

19:42.14
Jaime G
Yeah, yeah, yeah I like invading other planets just making appearances I mean again, this is this is what I really have liked about hell divers. They have really worked really awesome. The community.

19:54.37
tanomsak
Yeah, the community is just crazy crazy. Fantastic community. Even even with a one or two percent people that are out there to mess up anybody's experience with anything good. You know there's always that 1 or two percent but the rest of communities is great. Ah. So you know I ah.

20:16.44
Jaime G
Hell versus going strong man I mean honestly it is It is not. It's not giving any space to other games that are being released right now.

20:26.10
tanomsak
Yeah I think I think the concurrent numbers are just continuing to climb what we're almost in almost a month since like in Disney The first week that was like February seventh so we're almost at a month

20:36.40
Jaime G
Almost a month because you were you were on ah you were at a Disney right.

20:45.82
tanomsak
Think the game released on like February Eighth or something like that. Ah yeah, we're almost a month and the numbers just continue to climb which is very ah contrary to trends from other games like most most time you you have a huge spike at the start and then it goes down.

21:03.83
Jaime G
Hey I'm actually looking at steam charts current players 292 3000 believe it or not the original hell divers actually has pretty much 324 people playing it right now.

21:05.70
tanomsak
This one is just just it's just continuing to climb.

21:22.69
Jaime G
You know what? that is That's suicide squad numbers. Ah.

21:26.75
tanomsak
Ah, ah, ah, the original hill divers I'm telling you I told you we get some? Ah ah for people that didn't have it in their budget to go get number 2 and they had number one I'll play number 1 whether people are fishing they're playing it fishing looking for.

21:28.46
Jaime G
Ah, the original Hill divers.

21:37.49
Jaime G
You did say that I remember this? yeah.

21:44.97
tanomsak
What did the Apcs look like what's it mex look like because it's all there and a lot of they're so far. They're just kind of been taken from the original and putting it and like into into the new game because.

21:54.40
Jaime G
Yeah, right? That's a little bit of a letdown for me though I'm I'm wanting more new bad guys I Want new stuff man.

22:05.16
tanomsak
Well like they're gonna be bringing it I was like it's a cash cowward now like we always said like and I think that the ps 5 like ah early on like the the the pc world was like holy ah pc is carrying this game. You nobody on playstation 5 is really playing it. You know we're carrying the numbers even though the Ceo came out and said oh no, it's it's like fifty fifty but right, but the last time I think he talked on it was actually the ps 5 numbers were higher like.

22:28.20
Jaime G
Take that.

22:39.74
tanomsak
Word of mouth has finally kind of you're we're seeing it right? like you're you, you've got friends and you're you're you're telling your friends to come play it with you on PS 5 I'm telling my friends come play it with me I'm a PS 5 and it's it's just spreading just like a wildfire.

22:54.50
Jaime G
I agree I.

22:56.32
tanomsak
So those those PS 5 numbers are starting to like accelerate right? It's just and it just blows my mind. There are still people like I've never heard of this game. How have you never heard of this game. It's literally all over social media.

23:04.16
Jaime G
I I mean if you're living in the cave I Guess sure. But.

23:12.52
tanomsak
Yeah, yeah, well, there's people have at work of like hey you playing hell average. Um, what's that what casual players right there they they yeah right? Um, but yeah, it's just spreading on the PS 5 side and ah I don't know why? ah.

23:18.30
Jaime G
These are the exactly These are not gamers.

23:31.45
tanomsak
The numbers are slow to come out on the psf on the playstation side. But maybe it's a server thing that they're still working around but I think ah I think those numbers is gonna be pretty percent surprising within the number of PS 5 players playing.

23:46.37
Jaime G
I'd like to see how many people are actually playing on playstation but you know Sony does not report that it's not public. It's not public knowledge. Ah luckily we have steam charts which lets me have a good peek. But if we're saying that it's fifty fifty

23:54.23
tanomsak
Yeah, right.

24:03.70
Jaime G
So whatever numbers on steam you just you know multiply by 2 and that gives you a good estimate of how many players are really playing right now.

24:10.79
tanomsak
Yeah, so I mean it's probably 6 or some 100000 right just a second as we're talking which is you know again? Huge number. Um I want I wonder what the numbers were from the weekend this past weekend.

24:19.87
Jaime G
Um, it absolutely is.

24:29.60
tanomsak
I think they were over 800000 the last number I saw.

24:34.81
Jaime G
Oh it's easy to tell because right now we're recording this on a Monday and if I do a quick search for the last forty eight hours and look for the ah max number of people that were playing.

24:51.80
Jaime G
Probably figure that number up. So if I go back and look over the last 48 hours like I said ah it peaked at 376000 which again if you that's 50% get the other half on playstation. Yeah, you're talking 700000 at least for sure.

25:13.98
tanomsak
Yup, so Sony Sony is stumbled on to a a cash cow and they're they're like they're like okay, let's start reducing the budgets everywhere else because we need money.

25:29.21
Jaime G
Oh you know that's kind of that's bound to happen that's got to happen.

25:30.94
tanomsak
To throw it this. That's we we need money to throw at this franchise because this is up because we've been talking about like Sony needs. It's not the Sony needs their own call of duty right now. It's not a pvp game right.

25:44.64
Jaime G
And I would have never thought it was gonna be this.

25:49.75
tanomsak
It's not a pvp game. It's a you know pve. But I mean a large a large portion of call of duty nowadays is Pv right? The multiplayer The multiplayer is not what it used to be and um, the battle of Royal I Don't think is what it used to be either.

25:57.44
Jaime G
Yeah, the zombies.

26:09.10
tanomsak
But the the zombies mode was was popular and I think it was gaining traction. Ah last I saw the number of players playing in zombies was actually climbing. So ah.

26:23.62
tanomsak
A lot of like a lot of a lot of trends there where you know people were really interested in just you know a good Pv game give me a good Pb game to play and um, they're they're all over it. So again, this is not huh. Yeah.

26:34.40
Jaime G
I Co Co Co-op Pb Co- op pp

26:41.83
tanomsak
Yeah, and that's zombies. It's co-op right? So so I think I mean like I said it's not. It's not going to go head to head against call duty. But it's a it's a shooter that that playstation has not had in a while.

26:43.36
Jaime G
You Yeah, you're right.

26:59.80
tanomsak
Have not had a playstation shooter game. Um, so I'm thinking like there that you're you're going to stop consolidating like you need money right? you need money to to fund other projects that are going to be similar like you're talking about? Oh we need more games like this. We need to model games like this so you need in order to do that. You're going to need some some funding. So Let's produce funding in these other other areas and then focus it on Arrowhead studios. They might be pulling all their money again. Ah together just to make an acquisition of arrowhead because Arrowhead is not a playstation studio they they are basically that is going to change very probably pretty soon. Ah so I think I think you got to look at at that too like.

27:42.68
Jaime G
I Yeah that that that will change pretty soon. So.

27:55.68
tanomsak
They're getting their money ready for an acquisitional barrelhead or they want to. It could be both acquire arrowhead increased a budget for them so they can make this game just gigantic and huge for the next.

28:13.62
Jaime G
I mean this this is a game that if if they met keep on managing it like they're doing right now man this game could easily go through Kurt ride the whole year.

28:13.94
tanomsak
Half decade.

28:24.48
tanomsak
Well yeah, it's a so being a space game like God E There's so much you can do like I'm not usually a fan of space games like I just didn't believe in like a starfield right? like.

28:41.17
Jaime G
So that you did and play dead space. That's a space game.

28:43.27
tanomsak
Base games just dead space I like this space but it's you know it's limited in scope right? It's one location a ship. Ah or so a base on a planet like callistorokol that was in the prison on a planet right. Like that that has space themes but it's not I mean it's not a space game like well I'm talking about space game I'm talking about going to different planets and all this other stuff but like because typically just traveling throughout the the galaxy and the solar system is kind of boring right.

29:01.86
Jaime G
That's another one.

29:08.37
Jaime G
And I'm just giving your hard time. You're right, you write? yeah.

29:20.66
tanomsak
Ah, but that's here in this game faster and light Speed. You don't have to waste time traveling you just you're there but all the environments and stuff which they've created. Um. Are are fantastic I Just want them to expand on it right? like So I'm really digging this space game. So um.

29:43.67
Jaime G
It yes, now it it's it's a good one. Definitely it's got the players backing it up. It's got the community. It's got Tony backing it up. What else does need right.

29:53.23
tanomsak
Um.

29:57.55
tanomsak
Right? Ah, yeah, they just needs more guns more stratagems more aliens more vehicles just more customization more stuff. Ah you put on your ship worse. You know, just like you know, just more.

30:07.83
Jaime G
They're coming. They're coming coming.

30:14.42
tanomsak
But they're gonna this, You're just going to like you're just go time it out where oh just when you thought okay I've done everything in the game. Oh here comes more stuff.

30:21.81
Jaime G
And okay, well, that's what you need right? That's what destiny keeps on doing.

30:29.98
tanomsak
Oh but you know what's here I'm calling it right now I'm calling it right now there will be a hell divers tv show or a movie from Sony you watch you watch. They're gonna announce it.

30:40.10
Jaime G
No, no, no, no, no, no. Ah.

30:49.69
tanomsak
Hell drivers.

30:51.18
Jaime G
I How do you capture all that silliness and zaniness.

30:58.62
tanomsak
They just make it just like you did starship troopers make it like that. Ah.

30:59.10
Jaime G
No well yeah, right? No, but if they ever did a tv show or something like this. It probably worked so much better as shorts like an 8 minute short it'd be hilarious.

31:11.59
tanomsak
Yeah, well, there's gonna be some community made stuff you watch. This is just a rabid community that's making stuff all with the place. Ah you you saw the news stations right? The there's 2 or 3 of those where people are doing like the fake.

31:25.61
Jaime G
Yeah, they're yeah, they're so funny man. Yep.

31:28.61
tanomsak
The the broadcasts. But yeah, there'll be some community funded stuff that are in shorts like you were talking about.

31:37.68
Jaime G
I Tony I'm gonna I'm gonna spring on you something that we had not talked about discussing today I'm gonna ask you 3 questions when was the playstation three released.

31:45.53
tanomsak
Whatsapp.

31:53.11
tanomsak
When was it released playstation 3 2006

32:04.61
Jaime G
Good answer all right, all right question number 2 when was the playstation floor released.

32:17.76
Jaime G
I Gotcha I.

32:19.25
tanomsak
Um, now hold on 2014 November Twenty thirteen now

32:25.22
Jaime G
Um, close November Twenty Thirteen yeah I I'm going with some I'm going I'm building up to something here when was the playstation five released.

32:38.50
tanomsak
That was released in. 2023.

32:50.13
Jaime G
Um, actually actually I see that it's launched in November Twenty twenty

33:02.89
Jaime G
Right? But think about this look at the years 2006 to two hundred Twenty Thirteen was how many years that by the way they always launch in November. Okay so 7 years then 2013 to 2027 years twenty twenty

33:03.00
tanomsak
Ah, yeah.

33:12.24
tanomsak
Like 7 years yeah 4

33:22.53
Jaime G
2024 we're like at that mid cycle of the consoles.

33:25.23
tanomsak
Halfway yeah, and there's a pf p s 5 pro coming.

33:32.30
Jaime G
That's exactly what I was going to say the PS the PS 4 pro was launched 3 years into the lifecycle of the playstation 4 we're about do for a playstation 5 pro.

33:47.66
tanomsak
Right.

33:49.95
Jaime G
And there's rumors circulating around the internet that it's coming out 2024 actually right thoughts about that I mean do we I mean are we at the point where we need a pro really quite frankly I feel like the the.

33:56.41
tanomsak
Yeah, 2024

34:09.65
Jaime G
The standard consoles right now aren't really putting out the games that I I thought we were all promised.

34:13.67
tanomsak
Right? that I don't think I don't see a reason for it I'm like no mind's making games that or taking advantage of the the original all the way you're not getting like.

34:21.37
Jaime G
Exactly.

34:26.61
tanomsak
What naughty dog did with the last of us at the end of the PS 3 generation right? You're just you're dropping a game that can literally stand on its own for 10 years and you not gonna tell the difference which it's like oh this was made on a PS 3 it looks like a PS 5 game like so.

34:29.86
Jaime G
Yeah, right? so.

34:39.72
Jaime G
And it it absolutely does.

34:45.50
tanomsak
where's that game for ah where's that game now you know for PS 5 this is. We're not we haven't reached that point yet like we're still barely out of the PS four ah development cycle.

34:53.79
Jaime G
I yeah I don' my point exactly I mean wish the ps 4 is still kind of alongside the ps 5 in many ways. Um I mean a lot of the you know. 1 console only exclusives are still. We're still not at that point where everyone said no more on the playstation 4 now. Partially some of that might have been because of supply chain issues early in the lifecycle of the playstation 5 we're not there I mean you can't tell me right now that there's any 1 game. You're like we absolutely need need a pro to handle this game.

35:32.20
tanomsak
Right? Yeah, you don't need it I mean you just get it because you want to run something they can run 120 frames or something at four k I mean is that worth it.

35:45.15
Jaime G
You that and you know maybe more solid Ray tracing or something which to me is like ah I can't even notice right? Yeah yeah.

35:49.97
tanomsak
But you know what's crazy is like I think they said that the peer the the pro would not be capable of 8 k but you know that the the original is capable of eight k on the box. It says 8 k yep on the PS 5

36:02.15
Jaime G
And say what.

36:08.34
tanomsak
It says 8 k on the side of box. Pretty sure it does but the the pro would not be capable of it. Well the box is over there somewhere in the closet. But.

36:12.50
Jaime G
You You looked at the side I thought you you looked over to see the box.

36:27.00
Jaime G
That's ah I don't know man I think I think if these news are true which again if you look at you know Sony's past life cycle ah launches. It's it's it's right there I mean the slim was launched right at the. 3 4 year Mark for the playstation 4 and playstation 5 and now the pro is honestly seems like it could be a reality but again I make the argument unless you're somebody who wants to be like look at what I got.

36:58.70
tanomsak
Right? I will say that you know with these game releases and stuff I still say that I'm a console guy I'm like I'm not gonna go buy a pc because I hear too many people going doesn't work with my. Set up. You know Mike whatever game. Oh your your game is trash because it doesn't work on my paper particular computer right? Mike well you should bought a console you know would work right? Yeah I don't have to listen to that. Ah.

37:26.52
Jaime G
And you never have that problem.

37:33.97
tanomsak
It's it's going to work. That's a cyberpunk.

37:37.63
Jaime G
I ah but I mean to me. The only thing that that I struggle with right now is storage space. A lot of games just have the humungous install or deal see your day 1 patches.

37:40.99
tanomsak
Ah, um.

37:55.53
Jaime G
Yeah, ah, honestly I had to move stuff around from my um console storage and my ssd storage just to be able to install final fantasy for not 14 Final fantasy 7 rebirth because.

38:07.17
tanomsak
Yeah, yeah.

38:10.48
Jaime G
Ah, so I read all over that it it was going to you know? Maybe this is a little bit of a segue to final fantasy 7 I read all over that was 2 discs and I thought oh this is like the old final fantasy seven where it was 3 discs and you play everything up to a certain point and it says answer disc too. And then answers disc three? Well no, it's like 1 cd is the game content that needs to be installed and then the second disc is the play disc um's kind of like. The last of us too that when they came out for the playstation 4 but I ran out of stores I mean to me what I'd liked more than than a pro is something that that has a lot more internal storage man.

39:03.20
tanomsak
Right? Yeah, juggling that that that game ah catalog on your what your active games are that's always a challenge, especially when you got games like call duty there two hundred plus gigabytes

39:13.40
Jaime G
Yeah, it is.

39:19.12
tanomsak
Ah, they're just lazy here Anyway, right? Do you brought up find fantasy I Ah so I know that you bought the game.

39:19.53
Jaime G
Even if you find even if you buy the physical. That's what I can't wrap my mind around.

39:38.97
tanomsak
And a bunch of people have ah have purchased the game and they're playing it I have not purchased it because I haven't finished I haven't even played remake and ah but that changed this evening I actually downloaded it I'm like okay I'm hearing some good Stuff. So. I Need to get to a point where at least I kind of understand who the characters are and stuff so let me play some remake.

40:02.39
Jaime G
So Tony ah you need to understand who the characters are are by this point, the game has been out for like decades.

40:11.18
tanomsak
Ah, right? Well you know there's always just this kind of this weird look to final fantasy. That's like has never really been like something that brought me in ah I think it looks good. Looks great, but you. On the marketing side of things its like ah this kind of weird I don't know. But so I downloaded it I started playing it right before we got on the podcast by the way like 30 minutes before we started in the so like.

40:36.72
Jaime G
Okay, but but but just for clarification you're playing final fantasy 7 remake not rebirth. Okay.

40:43.74
tanomsak
Yep, 3 make not the rebirth not rebirth but remake. But yeah I was very very not that far into the first opening chapter. So.

40:57.39
Jaime G
You? Okay, well what you're looking at is one of the most iconic sequences for any game openers and I mean you're you're in for a treat is what I'm trying to tell you and.

40:59.57
tanomsak
It's.

41:14.99
tanomsak
Right? Yeah, no, the ah though the introduction was pretty cool I'll sitting there watching the introduction I'm like this is very very nice looking Introduction. It's very I mean so much detail in like the world and characters and stuff. So. It was an impressive cgi Introduction. So.

41:34.23
Jaime G
Okay, well I'm playing right now. Final fantasy 7 it's it just released four days ago okay so I've only had a handful of hours to play into this and it didn't help me out that you know my my most recent purchases. The game didn't get deliberate till like Saturday at Eight zero pm and so my gaming session wasn't as extensive as I would have liked it over the weekend but still I'm in chapter one of playto through this you can already tell there's some slight differences versus chapter 1 re remake versus rebirth um, one of the things I've noticed right now and I mentioned is that I thought that the re remake opening was very well done like it. It had me just like beat like. These fanboy moments like oh this is awesome, right? Just giggling and versus this one. It's it it immediately I didn't have that that big wow I mean there's a couple things that happen right? away that are like iconic in the original series. But it again. It just. I didn't feel it was as well done as epic as the remake. Um and right away they're starting to tell the the plotline of where you ended to kind of hire your transitioning and segueing into 7 rebirth. Ah I'm I'm curious I mean.

43:07.49
Jaime G
We all know if you played the original one that they took some creative liberties in changing some things around the 7 original 7 which were in general well received by fans they kind of threw in some like unique things here to keep it fresh and you know again. The fan base didn't didn't turn on on square unix um, more of that is going to happen and and this one for sure I'm just not that far in and I'm doing all the best that I can to avoid any spoilers or anything that's that's going to so you know give me too much context about what's what's to happen. That's new. In this game.

43:47.57
tanomsak
Um, yeah, yeah, so I like my question is why does I asked you this earlier im like so what? why? Ah how come on the characters are like western looking. It's like Japanese the studio.

44:01.95
Jaime G
No I had it not now now.

44:04.10
tanomsak
Um, I'm thinking Japanese style game like everybody's like Western looking at Blonde hair and it's like where's the ah you know.

44:13.80
Jaime G
I I'd argue that only 2 male characters or let's say the male characters look western whereas the the female characters do not look western and okay.

44:27.47
tanomsak
Okay, oh and the 2 characters I saw that are very western looking that the is that big a deal I'm just surprised that it's it's kind of like a thing with anime too like why do all the main character. Why the majority of the characters look western. Must read this of things with japanese media. Yeah.

44:46.25
Jaime G
You man man you're you're open up of whole can of worms on this one I don't enough good to game radio wants to go there. We could we could. But you know we we probably need some some additional time to talk about that but still I mean honestly final fantasy 7 Tony if you're going to play the the remake I'll play the rebirth and.

45:11.50
tanomsak
Ah, all right? so.

45:20.78
Jaime G
Think we can come back and and see kind of what your progression is I'm enjoying this so far I was chatting with some people on Discord getting their opinions specifically poncho jones and he is also expressed good things in general about this. So let's see. Let's see how how this ends up.

45:41.72
tanomsak
All right? Well you you guys, you probably have a long way to go though right? This is like a 80 hour game or something.

45:49.21
Jaime G
Oh pre. Yeah dude, it's I'm probably like maybe three four hours in I probably got like another eighty to go and that's just to complete the main campaign.

46:01.82
tanomsak
Right? So that I mean that's like yeah 80 hours man that's a lot that's.

46:04.57
Jaime G
And I'm I'm not giving up on this one.

46:12.76
Jaime G
Yeah, yeah, well you were the one who told me to play persona five ah eighty hours is half is half the campaign. Basically.

46:18.44
tanomsak
Ah, right? Well you're getting your money's worth wondering what the budget was for the fine fincy this one the Rebirth Twenty years.

46:26.37
Jaime G
I heard something around like 20 years

46:35.83
tanomsak
Crazy.

46:36.15
Jaime G
So It's with the fans I loving it I could not get anywhere. The the deluxe addition to preorder and I just said okay I need to get this game I'm not gonna you know. Split hairs over a steel box I can always get it off of ebay. Yeah.

46:58.90
tanomsak
Yep I I'm off the weight too like first of all I got to play through remake I didn't decide if I want to buy rebirth.

47:08.40
Jaime G
I I technically I've heard that you can jump into rebirth and you don't need to have played their other one but you're missing out if you have it. Yeah, it's It's a good gay man. It's it's it's.

47:17.23
tanomsak
Yeah, all right? All right? Let's see I'll see I stick can stick with it. There's a lot of new games coming out too in March so we've got the the last Ronan coming in. Ah, March Twenty Second I think oh no, not the last Ronan Bris of the ronan that's name I know why keep saying the last Ronan for.

47:37.37
Jaime G
Um, oh finally yeah.

47:46.54
Jaime G
It's proud of the movie.

47:49.88
tanomsak
Yeah, or maybe there's another game called that. But um rise of the ronan and then then whilst we had Dragons Dogma too did you ever play the first one.

48:01.31
Jaime G
No, and I don't think I ever did.

48:03.93
tanomsak
So I played the first one the other day just like oh it was like 1 of the free games in the playstation extra catalog and downloaded it started playing it and I'm like okay rpg. And you've got like the characters that are called pawns that run with you and like they help you and they give you advice and they do whatever instantly like. Everybody's talking at the same time like all the characters in the party. Everybody's talking to you so you've got like 3 or 4 voices that are talking over each other while you're playing so I don't know if that's a thing in dog dragons dogma too. But I hope there's some way to like. Either design where there's like a more of a coherent you know inflex of ah of character dialogue. It just seemed like all over the place. So it was kind of like distracting. So I don't know I might have to wait on dragons dog while I was playing on picking up immediately. But I'm like okay I will wait just because. Ah, didn't really have a good reaction to the first one when I played it.

49:21.96
Jaime G
Um, am I am I right in saying that the original dragon's dogma was for playstation. 3

49:27.91
tanomsak
No I don't think so I think you came out early early on a playstation four I'm not sure of anything but I think it was early playstation 4 game one the very early ones.

49:33.78
Jaime G
Are you sure.

49:43.75
Jaime G
Okay, but it's a Capcom game and they're not really known for this topic games I'd say pass unless it's monsterster hunter that one's cool.

49:54.11
tanomsak
Yeah.

50:00.40
tanomsak
But yeah, so those are the 2 I kind of got my on but maybe Dragons Alma took a step down after I played the first one I started playing the first one. So.

50:10.94
Jaime G
Right? Well I mean talking about games that are coming up in March this is just a quick plug that if you are a ps plus subscriber you're gonna be able to play hello neighbor to and I'm gonna shake my head and be like maybe.

50:27.14
tanomsak
There there. Ah.

50:29.60
Jaime G
Like ah, that's a really long far fetch. Maybe but ea sports f one 2023 if you're into racing games. This is my this might be for you and seafoo seafoo has had a good history and good reviews and. I know people who've played this game and who said it's fun. Ah so I'd say if at least you're getting one good game out of those 3 because I'll I'll admit man anything that came out on ps plus in February foam stars was the big, the big. Ah the headliner.

50:47.58
tanomsak
Yeah, yeah.

50:54.60
tanomsak
Right.

51:05.17
Jaime G
I downloaded it never ever played it.

51:07.68
tanomsak
Okay, so foam stars I downloaded to never played it that I mean yeah we could play it together. Ah but the question is like would you rather play foam stars or would you rather play Hell divers.

51:11.54
Jaime G
That Oh so so we cannot play it together.

51:25.70
tanomsak
Ah, that's the problem for foam stars. Yeah.

51:26.82
Jaime G
That's the problem right? Well it was like did you rather play foam stars or tech and 8

51:31.61
tanomsak
Right? I'd rather play taking eight. It's like horrible timing like like they just threw that one to the it.

51:36.97
Jaime G
Yeah I mean at the timing was I mean see if we should have been the the February game.

51:45.60
tanomsak
Yeah that's really like the thing right? It's all about timing a lot of times in games that want to like drop around the same time period as other like big releases of stuff I mean what are you doing just back off find a different period. Um, like ah maybe it's on up to them. It's up to the publisher but you know still nobody knew how Div was going to blow up but way did but like get it. It dropped the same time as tech though I'm guessing they're thinking. There's the audience is different enough that.

52:11.61
Jaime G
Um, no, yes, it's it's it's it's it is a very different audience. But if I look at the the numbers of the people playing dude hill divers has got. Is. It. It's a 10 to one ratio. There's probably like 40000 I mean I know that that it's not probably I've just looked this up earlier. There's about 45000 people playing ticking on steam and how many did I say we're on on hell divers like 300 and something 370000.

52:45.17
tanomsak
Yeah.

52:48.17
Jaime G
I mean just completely different games but hell divers is a clear winner for the month of February um, tech in came out. It's got a good following. There's some people who are hardcore. You know they live and breathe tech in for the fighting game community but it's. Brought in a lot of people who are not main tech players and actually as you and I are talking I'm over here looking over the discord vandi young zetu pojo poncho jones. Everyone's here like making plans about. Playing later in the evening and I'm like I got to get in on this you but but poncho is also saying hey I got to I can't play te until I finished this mission in he diaers. So there you go.

53:25.75
tanomsak
Nar right.

53:39.22
tanomsak
Ah, right.

53:39.89
Jaime G
This is this is I think February was a really good month and releases except for Warner Brother Studios with suicide squad. But.

53:53.93
tanomsak
Yeah, well one we haven't talked about skull and bones another another game black hill divers like a suicide squad. It's a ah live service game. Ah, yubis off. Market is a 4 x game or whatever that means. But yeah that that was the the ship warfare based off of of the naval combat in the sasan's creed. Yeah, they release 2.

54:18.24
Jaime G
Skull and bones.

54:22.51
Jaime G
But is it it is It is it released already.

54:30.55
tanomsak
Ah, almost the same reception is I mean he's not as bad as suicide score but the reception was not that great too expensive for what you were getting $70 ah and you can't really like go and explore islands and stuff everything is based on your ship.

54:45.74
Jaime G
Okay, so Ed released on playstation xbox I'm not seeing steam. That's odd.

54:47.18
tanomsak
And you're just going around doing ship combat.

54:55.21
tanomsak
Yeah, so that one that one had been in development since what for over a decade too. Yeah and they just I guess they decided just keep throwing more money at.

55:01.98
Jaime G
2009

55:14.12
tanomsak
I think actually they were required to from what I heard was there was a a I think Malaysia sued them or something like that and said that they were required to complete the game because there was something something that they had in a deal with that country.

55:25.19
Jaime G
Say what.

55:33.96
tanomsak
And so they had to complete it like whoa. That's not a good deal on Yuau part.

55:38.35
Jaime G
Ah, how I'll read up on this because I had not heard about it hu this is interesting I got a seriously this is this is news news to me Newsf flashsh.

55:44.70
tanomsak
Yeah.

55:55.55
tanomsak
Ah, right.

55:56.53
Jaime G
The game that had to release. Yeah, question is if it's met with like poor reception in poor sales I'm just just posing has that a question again I don't haven't seen the game So I don't know the answer would it have been a less of a loss to take the lawsuit. Or to still put it out.

56:20.38
tanomsak
Right? Probably take the loss.

56:24.16
Jaime G
Again I don't I don't know I don't know the game somebody might be playing this and be like hey this game really is good. You know, but based on all the silence I've heard about this I don't know.

56:38.28
tanomsak
So here's a new here's the story right? It's it was Singapore the worst part of this development this project has to be completed courtesy of an agreement with the Singapore government according to a report but by Kaaku. And this is from a site called Asiaone.com Ah according to a report by catakus skull and bones cannot be scrapped as part of a deal with the authorities the company in exchange for generous subsidies is required to hit a certain hiring quota. And launch original ips in the next few years making it imperative that the title gets shipped by hook or by Crook final look notwithstanding. Wow I bet they don't get a deal like that again. Ah.

57:26.75
Jaime G
Never fool me once.

57:31.12
tanomsak
Ah, won't you like be the executive assigned off on that one. But. Ah, you did what? ah.

57:42.50
Jaime G
We thought it was going to be good. Ah.

57:46.94
tanomsak
That's funny, not funny for them but funny. Regardless anyway, all right? Well I think that's all we've got.

57:49.60
Jaime G
Yeah.

57:59.82
tanomsak
Hope to hear more about final fantasy. We're rebirth in the upcoming episode and those we had some other topics probably didn't get to but we get to and another episode like your poor playstation portal experience so far. Um, and you know just I don't know.

58:14.86
Jaime G
Yep.

58:19.66
tanomsak
But hell divers wise I'm like you're gonna be hearing a lot more I think on that game because there's just so much going on with that game and so popular, especially Amongg our Discord community just like tech in ah, both popular games and if you're interested in joining on the in that community. Be sure to check out the link in the ah.

58:38.67
tanomsak
In the podcast description header. There should be a link in there for Discord you can join and join in the community and see what all the talk is about and ah maybe get in one of the games that we're playing and group up with us there all right? So thanks for listening.

58:52.48
Jaime G
All right.

58:57.43
tanomsak
Really appreciate you and we'll ah we'll catch you to the next episode.

58:59.18
Jaime G
See you guys.