Will Thunderbolts be Good and Last of Us Season 2 Ep. 1 and 2

Jaime and Tony dive deep into Marvel's Thunderbolts, The Last of Us Season 2, and the highs and lows of game-to-TV adaptations—sharing predictions, frustrations with storytelling changes, and nostalgia for physical media and classic games.

Transcript

00:15.12
Tony Sisk
Hold on. Let me just do that again. I didn't like that. I'm rusty.

00:19.22
Jaime G 
You didn't like that.

00:20.27
Tony Sisk
No.

00:20.67
Jaime G 
OK. It's been a month.

00:22.77
Tony Sisk
Yeah, right. Hi folks, welcome back to Good2GameRadio. I'm here with Tony speaking. I'm here with Jaime and it's been a while. Jaime, what's going on?

00:33.01
Jaime G 
Hey, man, it it feels like we've done this just like two minutes ago.

00:37.26
Tony Sisk
Right. We had to do a retake because it's been so long. The agile was just fumbling over the words. So.

00:47.04
Jaime G 
This is take two, everybody.

00:47.29
Tony Sisk
For. Yeah, take two. What's going on, man?

00:51.25
Jaime G 
Through the magic of editing, it'll sound like take one. Man, good. Bunch of games, bunch of television stuff.

00:55.48
Tony Sisk
Right. Editing, it makes it sound amazing.

00:59.04
Jaime G 
Yeah.

00:59.21
Tony Sisk
Like we know what we're talking about and what we're doing.

01:01.25
Jaime G 
I know, right?

01:05.55
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

01:06.89
Jaime G 
Hey, so, all right, man. The biggest news that I have for you right now is, are you excited about Thunderbolts?

01:18.90
Tony Sisk
Excited? don't know if I'm excited. I am interested. I have, you know, a certain level of anticipation. Anticipation and for the movie comes out, what, May 2nd?

01:34.77
Jaime G 
It comes out May the 2nd.

01:35.04
Tony Sisk
ah

01:36.13
Jaime G 
Yes.

01:37.28
Tony Sisk
Yeah. So it's just right around a corner. it's like four days away. I ah have my tickets, so I will be going to the to release the of the movie.

01:50.33
Tony Sisk
So I'm interested.

01:50.43
Jaime G 
OK. I got tickets too. But I'm going to take Friday off, and I'm going to go catch the first screening.

01:53.03
Tony Sisk
Oh, yeah.

01:59.06
Jaime G 
Friday.

01:59.89
Tony Sisk
On Thursday night?

02:01.58
Jaime G 
no friday

02:03.20
Tony Sisk
Okay.

02:06.24
Jaime G 
But I was able to convince my wife to go and and catch the movie with me, which is a big surprise. She is not a Florence Pugh fan.

02:19.45
Jaime G 
I don't know why.

02:19.59
Tony Sisk
Okay.

02:20.21
Jaime G 
Well, it's because Black Widow was was my wife's favorite character.

02:21.04
Tony Sisk
I mean, she's okay.

02:27.56
Jaime G 
And and she's like, oh, that's that's that's not a decent Black Widow right now.

02:33.41
Tony Sisk
right she and't She doesn't feel like Florence Pugh can live up to the title of Black Widow.

02:42.83
Jaime G 
Yeah.

02:45.13
Tony Sisk
Makes sense.

02:47.44
Jaime G 
But I feel, Tony, this movie, and by the way, I just jumped right into it, but I feel this movie can set Marvel back in a positive direction.

02:58.60
Tony Sisk
Well, they need something.

03:00.36
Jaime G 
They need a hit.

03:01.90
Tony Sisk
I mean, they just, they had what, Deadpool and Wolverine. But that that was more like spinning its wheels.

03:08.27
Jaime G 
But that's not MCU.

03:11.12
Tony Sisk
That's just, you know, just a fun movie.

03:14.29
Jaime G 
Yeah.

03:14.41
Tony Sisk
Like, did it really do anything as far as like, you know, moving the whole to Marvel Universe forward and, you know, coherently.

03:21.19
Jaime G 
No.

03:23.84
Jaime G 
No, it did not. No, it actually it actually created more questions than anything, really.

03:27.17
Tony Sisk
So, yeah.

03:31.31
Tony Sisk
that because they can't get off this dumb timeline thing. Multiverse.

03:38.30
Jaime G 
ah Which I suspect is still going to be a thing. ah Because Fantastic Four somehow, which which like they're like in the 50s, are now going to end up in Avengers Doomsday.

03:51.62
Tony Sisk
Right.

03:52.64
Jaime G 
And they're not going to be older version of their characters.

03:52.78
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

03:54.96
Jaime G 
They're going to be the same guys.

03:56.29
Tony Sisk
like Yeah, that's fine. i mean, as long as it we can get everybody onto the same timeline and kind of make it like a static point going forward. mean, you can bring other top people from other timelines in, but I don't and don't like this. Okay, this movie is going to be totally about this cast of characters over in this other timeline, and there's never them crossing over into...

04:22.78
Tony Sisk
A current timeline that we're that we're basing our story in like stop jumping all over the place And having half a dozen different timelines that we're supposed to be able to keep up with which is impossible because I don't even know what earth we're on and Anything like that.

04:26.84
Jaime G 
Right.

04:35.65
Jaime G 
No, right.

04:39.53
Tony Sisk
So can we just have a starting point? And just bring you can bring the characters in And have the villain in this one particular timeline. That way we can all move forward and coherently understand what is going on.

04:56.19
Jaime G 
So in the marble timeline, Earth 616 is the primary one where all everything's happening. And if anything happens there, that's supposed to be like the real one.

05:07.40
Jaime G 
Anything that's not 616 doesn't count.

05:11.17
Tony Sisk
Okay. So is this Thunderbolts movie going to be in that one?

05:13.73
Jaime G 
Yeah.

05:15.96
Tony Sisk
Is it 616?

05:16.72
Jaime G 
I hope so. That's the thing.

05:18.20
Tony Sisk
or Right.

05:18.30
Jaime G 
i will You can't tell these days.

05:19.16
Tony Sisk
See, that it's it's weird. It's like, wake up in the morning. What time am I in? Does this count today? i don't know.

05:26.50
Jaime G 
I don't know. but But let's talk about Thunderbolts for a second, man. This team is awesome. Because even though they're kind of misfits, nobody's super.

05:41.22
Tony Sisk
and like is it Are they awesome? They're like the bench warmers.

05:45.18
Jaime G 
Exactly! so this is a team of benchwarmers, right? I mean, which which was different from like, man I mean, obviously the DC variation, the Suicide Squad is... They're A-list bad guys.

05:57.70
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

05:58.98
Jaime G 
Well, to some extent. But here it's like, these bench warmers that everyone's like, is kind of either writing them off, ah maybe maybe not Bucky, because he's he's he's legit.

06:09.41
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

06:10.15
Jaime G 
But the other one, i mean, there's not there's no Hulk, there's no Thor, there's nobody that can fly.

06:17.60
Tony Sisk
yeah what What makes these guys special? What do they bring into the table?

06:24.17
Jaime G 
Attitude.

06:25.67
Tony Sisk
Attitude and probably the ability to take a lot of punishment. I think that's like the the foundation.

06:30.38
Jaime G 
Yeah. Yeah.

06:31.62
Tony Sisk
like That's where you start. I got to have dudes that don't get hurt. That can sustain a lot of pain and keep going.

06:37.34
Jaime G 
Or if they... Yeah. Yeah.

06:40.36
Tony Sisk
that's where That's our starting point. ah No glass cannons.

06:43.20
Jaime G 
Right.

06:46.58
Jaime G 
so So I think... I don't know. I think that this one has the potential to be interesting and fun again versus...

06:58.08
Tony Sisk
yeah I'm hoping so. ah

06:59.93
Jaime G 
I'm hoping so too, but I don't think it's going to be Fantastic Four, the one that's going to save MCU right now.

07:00.88
Tony Sisk
Yeah, I'm hoping so.

07:06.10
Tony Sisk
i mean, I would like to get to the point where it's like we're getting an entertaining Marvel movie Every, you know, five months, six months, you know, kind of how the how they were on a timeline.

07:12.77
Jaime G 
Every year?

07:17.48
Tony Sisk
Like, man, there was always a Marvel movie coming out and they were all just kind of leading toward, you know, the same direction.

07:23.43
Jaime G 
Yeah, but the thing the thing is that there's like so much um overload. This year alone, we've seen Captain America, which, I mean, I don't know. i heard it made in the range of a couple hundred million, but apparently the studio execs are saying that it was a flop.

07:44.28
Jaime G 
Again, I don't know. To me, that's a lot of money. We're going to have, you know, this movie we're talking about.

07:50.63
Tony Sisk
If you're not making a billion, and then you're not you're not doing anything.

07:53.79
Jaime G 
Well, that's, yeah, that's that's that's marble money, right?

07:56.70
Tony Sisk
Yeah, you have to make a billion if you're a superhero movie.

07:57.03
Jaime G 
um and And then you're going to get Fantastic Four. And then next year, well, it's got Pedro Pascal who's like quite, dude, remember he was the bad guy in Wonder Woman 84?

08:04.06
Tony Sisk
That movie will make a billion.

08:15.67
Tony Sisk
ah Yeah.

08:17.44
Jaime G 
He was Maxwell Lord.

08:17.57
Tony Sisk
Yeah. Right.

08:21.38
Jaime G 
So he's been on both sides of the fence.

08:25.87
Jaime G 
um Anyway, what was I? OK. The point is that 2026, they're going to do a new Spider-Man movie. They're going to do a new Avengers movie.

08:36.76
Jaime G 
Probably we'll finally see like the new Into this the Spider-Verse movie come out too.

08:41.78
Tony Sisk
Wait. Go back.

08:45.12
Jaime G 
Yeah.

08:46.58
Tony Sisk
What Spider-Man movie?

08:49.36
Jaime G 
Spider-Man 4.

08:53.60
Tony Sisk
but Okay. um First I've heard of this. I mean, that's big news. ah spot Spider-Man movie? I mean, that's all I need. Okay.

09:06.40
Jaime G 
OK, so look, for 2026, Marvel has published published that ah May 1st, we're going to see the new Avengers Doomsday movie.

09:20.04
Jaime G 
June the, oh, sorry, July 31st, we're going to see Spider-Man Brand New Day. It's in production right now.

09:27.03
Tony Sisk
brand new day. Is there a teaser?

09:29.18
Jaime G 
Yeah.

09:31.68
Jaime G 
No?

09:32.91
Tony Sisk
Okay. There hasn't been a teaser yet. Wow, there's a Spider-Man movie coming in 2026.

09:36.12
Jaime G 
No.

09:37.65
Tony Sisk
Okay.

09:39.30
Jaime G 
Yeah.

09:39.61
Tony Sisk
Okay.

09:40.88
Jaime G 
Tom howen Holland, isn't it?

09:40.97
Tony Sisk
okay

09:44.41
Jaime G 
So point is.

09:45.27
Tony Sisk
Reprising his role as Spider-Man, obviously, but okay. I thought they were recasting that.

09:51.46
Jaime G 
No, they're not going to recast the movie that made a billion dollars.

09:57.56
Tony Sisk
Okay.

09:59.89
Jaime G 
OK, so anyway, Thunderbolts.

10:00.64
Tony Sisk
Okay. i mean, I'm, I'm interested.

10:03.73
Jaime G 
I'm super excited about this. I'm taking the day off just to go see it because I really want to enjoy it. And hey, here's a a prediction. I haven't read any spoilers.

10:15.10
Jaime G 
But look at every single trailer that has been published. At first in the teaser, you could see the Taskmaster, which was the bad guy in the Black Widow movie, which is very different than the comic book version of Taskmaster.

10:25.37
Tony Sisk
Mm-hmm.

10:33.15
Jaime G 
And any recent trailer or preview or whatever, she's not there.

10:40.54
Jaime G 
Prediction time, I think Taskmaster bites the bullet.

10:40.64
Tony Sisk
Okay.

10:45.97
Tony Sisk
um Okay. So

10:51.25
Tony Sisk
we like to make predictions on the show.

10:53.59
Jaime G 
oh yeah

10:55.13
Tony Sisk
What's your prediction for ah for the for the movie? like ah as What's the reception? What do you think?

11:05.34
Jaime G 
600 million

11:08.43
Jaime G 
at least. And it green lights a sequel.

11:15.34
Tony Sisk
You

11:16.84
Jaime G 
Yes, that's my prediction.

11:18.63
Tony Sisk
got a Rotten Tomatoes score you want to venture Guess at Without You think 80s Okay Let me venture a guess Your 600 million is pretty good guess Total worldwide right You think Okay

11:26.87
Jaime G 
Something in the 80s. Yeah.

11:31.15
Jaime G 
yeah

11:43.09
Jaime G 
Yeah, total worldwide. Final haul. I don't, I mean, a lot of people are like very like, ugh, Marvel right now. I don't think it's going to get to a billion, but I think it's going to be 600. Six. No,

11:53.65
Tony Sisk
600. You said flat 600 million? Do you have like 650?

11:56.71
Jaime G 
six

11:56.87
Tony Sisk
650? 675?

11:58.71
Jaime G 
no, and no. I'm going to say at least 600. 600.

12:01.88
Tony Sisk
Okay. dollar. That's guess.

12:02.89
Jaime G 
okay

12:04.43
Tony Sisk
oh that's a good that's a good one um

12:08.99
Tony Sisk
so six hundred million and one dollar that's my guess

12:15.65
Jaime G 
The price is right, ladies and gentlemen.

12:19.78
Jaime G 
i All right, 600 million in Taskmaster does not survive.

12:27.05
Tony Sisk
Okay. I won't venture a guess on a plot, but I'm going to say 827 million worldwide. That's my guess.

12:39.30
Jaime G 
if it screams If it screens in China, I'm to say you probably you're probably right, but I don't know.

12:44.19
Tony Sisk
yeah it well It won't screen in China. not current Not the way things are right now.

12:47.24
Jaime G 
Then 600, 600. Yeah. You said 600, 600 and one. think it does,

12:52.36
Tony Sisk
Okay, 800. So I said, what, 827? Let me throw just a random odd number there.

12:56.31
Jaime G 
yeah.

12:58.83
Tony Sisk
And ill say I'll say it will score.

12:58.96
Jaime G 
I said 80.

13:05.93
Tony Sisk
Does Rotten Tomatoes use 1 through 100 on their scoring? I think it does, right?

13:11.91
Jaime G 
i think it does yeah

13:13.11
Tony Sisk
I'm going to say 78. What did you say?

13:16.61
Jaime G 
i said eighty

13:17.90
Tony Sisk
You said 80?

13:19.49
Jaime G 
Yeah.

13:19.74
Tony Sisk
Okay, I'm going to say 78.

13:24.64
Jaime G 
OK.

13:25.09
Tony Sisk
Wait, that's weird. I'm back up. that's I'm taking back that. I'm taking back that. I'm not going to give it a lower score on Rotten Tomato, but then predict it's going to make more money.

13:38.81
Tony Sisk
but That makes no sense. Okay, hold on.

13:41.06
Jaime G 
No, it's happened. It's happened.

13:42.45
Tony Sisk
No, it makes no...

13:42.54
Jaime G 
it's it's gotten in like

13:43.63
Tony Sisk
Well, yeah. I mean, you have audience scores that where people enjoy it more than the critics.

13:48.58
Jaime G 
yeah

13:49.88
Tony Sisk
Okay, I'll just stick with then. I'll stick with it.

13:52.24
Jaime G 
Yeah, stick with it, man.

13:54.16
Tony Sisk
All right, so everybody out there, write those numbers down.

13:58.98
Jaime G 
Okay, 680 versus 827.

14:02.16
Tony Sisk
Put it on the Discord.

14:03.93
Jaime G 
and

14:03.90
Tony Sisk
Put it up as a survey question on a Discord.

14:06.87
Jaime G 
I'll try to put it up right there.

14:10.18
Tony Sisk
Predictions.

14:11.87
Jaime G 
Yeah, right? Okay, but I'm really excited about this one. I'm so much more excited about this movie than the Fantastic Four. Yeah. that Fantastic Four might end up being a great movie.

14:25.66
Jaime G 
I'm just not like, yay, let me go check this out.

14:29.31
Tony Sisk
There's a lot of fans of Fantastic Four out there. There's lot of fans.

14:34.81
Jaime G 
But if I may shift the the topic a brief second, Tony, this movie you loved. like I remember you speaking very highly about this movie, and it's going to get a sequel.

14:50.03
Jaime G 
Megan.

14:52.17
Tony Sisk
Megan? Megan was good.

14:53.62
Jaime G 
Yes.

14:55.17
Tony Sisk
let's good Did you see it?

14:55.93
Jaime G 
There's, I never saw it.

15:00.95
Tony Sisk
That was a surprise movie.

15:01.08
Jaime G 
You know why?

15:02.03
Tony Sisk
I think that that was a January 6th release or something. It was like a throwaway title from, you know, let's just put this movie here and it ended up being really good.

15:14.80
Jaime G 
Tony, I put my money that year in the movie, Abigail.

15:20.92
Tony Sisk
Abigail, that movie keeps popping up on all my YouTube timelines.

15:22.63
Jaime G 
my gosh.

15:26.65
Tony Sisk
like it

15:27.38
Jaime G 
Oh.

15:27.44
Tony Sisk
YouTube really wants me to watch this movie.

15:29.66
Jaime G 
No, I just watched it not too long ago. i mean, at one point, one of the characters even says, like, what is going on?

15:42.50
Jaime G 
There's a vampire and she's a ballerina. Yeah.

15:47.48
Jaime G 
Yeah.

15:48.17
Tony Sisk
Right. But that was the whole kind of gimmick, right? It's like, it was like a kidnapping, hostage taking movie.

15:54.46
Jaime G 
Yeah.

15:55.01
Tony Sisk
And then the person taken hostage was a vampire.

15:55.96
Jaime G 
Yeah.

16:00.59
Tony Sisk
So I'm actually, actually have wanted to watch it because YouTube will not leave me alone. Like let's show them another random Abigail clip.

16:12.21
Jaime G 
It is silly. It's, i mean, it's it's one of those where you have to be in the right mindset to watch and enjoy.

16:20.19
Tony Sisk
I'm sure.

16:22.31
Jaime G 
But anyway, Megan is getting the sequel.

16:22.33
Tony Sisk
yeah Yeah, it's good.

16:26.10
Jaime G 
Obviously, she's getting an upgrade. And by the trailer, it's something I'd like to see.

16:37.45
Tony Sisk
It's funny too.

16:39.70
Jaime G 
Well, the trailer's pretty funny.

16:40.58
Tony Sisk
if you haven't seen it, you should definitely watch it. especially with I don't know how they're upgrading it, but it's definitely worth watching.

16:43.20
Jaime G 
Yeah.

16:48.19
Tony Sisk
haven't watched a lot of movies here recently.

16:48.84
Jaime G 
Well, you.

16:51.51
Tony Sisk
Been out of town. Been busy. just The schedule's been just kind packed. I'm really interested in getting back and watching the movies. that That's why I scheduled the bought the tickets for Thunderbolts week and a half ago, think.

17:08.84
Tony Sisk
I'm committing to this Thursday night.

17:09.84
Jaime G 
i I bought mine today.

17:12.68
Tony Sisk
Right? So I am going and watching. it but Amy's like, we're going to go see a movie on Thursday night? I'm like, yep. It's what is it? It's like the superhero movie. She's like, am I going to like it? I have no idea.

17:26.95
Tony Sisk
don't even know if I'm going to like it. I can't answer for you.

17:33.24
Jaime G 
I'm going to like it, man.

17:35.14
Tony Sisk
Right.

17:35.44
Jaime G 
I actually used to read the the actual Thunderbolts comics.

17:38.95
Tony Sisk
Oh, wow. I didn't even know there was such a thing.

17:40.29
Jaime G 
Yeah, dude. I had that the the comics whenever Bucky became like the leader, and then for a while, Luke Cage became the leader.

17:51.26
Jaime G 
Man, at one point in the Thunderbolts, the roster was Red Hulk. ah Red Hulk, the Punisher. i mean, it's these characters that you're like, what?

18:03.56
Tony Sisk
Well, we just saw the Red Hulk in the Captain an America movie that came out like two months ago.

18:06.87
Jaime G 
Yeah, that's what saying. They can make up a Punisher, sorry, a Thunderbolt sequel. Now put the real hook, put Jon Bernthal as the Punisher in there.

18:17.73
Jaime G 
I was like, dude, movie magic.

18:20.74
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

18:24.17
Jaime G 
Movie magic. I'm just, I'm telling you, man, this movie could could turn it around. Yeah.

18:31.94
Tony Sisk
Okay, my fingers crossed.

18:34.18
Jaime G 
Yeah.

18:38.47
Tony Sisk
All right.

18:38.70
Jaime G 
Yeah.

18:38.83
Tony Sisk
What's our next topic?

18:41.33
Jaime G 
Well, we got a ton, man. We got it. We got it. Take your pick. You want to do want to take keep on on and TV shows, video games.

18:50.21
Tony Sisk
No, I'm ready to talk. that and um know yeah um I want to talk some last of us.

18:54.78
Jaime G 
All right. TV shows it is.

18:55.31
Tony Sisk
You've been, you've been chomping at the bit to talk about last of us for like two weeks, maybe even longer.

18:59.92
Jaime G 
ah right For the audience here who's listening to us, I kept on texting Tony and Vance, producer Vance, for several days, have you guys seen the episode?

19:00.71
Tony Sisk
oh

19:08.51
Tony Sisk
Thank you.

19:10.26
Jaime G 
And I was like so shocked when Tony ah one point responded like, what episode? Or something like that to that effect. was like, what? And then then I'm like, have you guys seen the second episode?

19:23.18
Jaime G 
And Tony was like, nah, I haven't seen the second episode. And finally he's like, well, I just saw the first one. I'm like, Tony! And today I finally like, Tony, have you seen the third episode? And he's like, well, I'm barely catching up on, I'm almost there on the episode too. I'm like, what?

19:41.21
Tony Sisk
I've been busy. But, I mean, I could talk definitely the first episode and at least half of the second episode because that's where I'm at right now.

19:52.40
Jaime G 
Right, right, right.

19:55.05
Jaime G 
So.

19:56.07
Tony Sisk
And I think I might be in trouble because my wife was like, are we going to watch that Last of Us TV show? And I'm like, uh...

20:06.69
Jaime G 
have you Have you warned her?

20:10.69
Tony Sisk
I kind of watched the first episode already and she's like i thought were going to watch that together i'm like I didn't know that so okay but yeah let's talk it let's talk Lost of Us you know based on one of the greatest video games ever created the first series came out what the um season one which was based on the original game came out two years ago

20:27.19
Jaime G 
i agree.

20:36.33
Jaime G 
Yeah.

20:37.07
Tony Sisk
HBO does this thing where now they they take two year intervals to put out a season of, you know, their big name shows. So ah you can you can see that work in within the detail of the show, though, because, man, they really did a great job of recreating some of the locations and.

20:56.77
Tony Sisk
You know from the game. And stuff like that. So it's like really impressive. What they have managed to accomplish. With just building out the world.

21:05.35
Jaime G 
yeah

21:06.60
Tony Sisk
So. But yeah. Last of Us Season 2. You know picks up after. The events of the first game. And ah controversial ending.

21:17.76
Tony Sisk
In that first game where. ah in the and in the first series. no If you haven't seen any one of these, you might want to turn off the podcast episode now because the spoilers will be coming up.

21:31.60
Tony Sisk
But surely, i mean, this game's been out for 10 years.

21:31.85
Jaime G 
But yeah, yeah.

21:35.46
Tony Sisk
yeah the The TV show's been out for two years now, so

21:36.88
Jaime G 
Well.

21:39.97
Jaime G 
well Well, but even as episode two aired, there was something that a lot of viewers who had never played the game were complaining that they're like, how did this just happen?

21:54.55
Tony Sisk
Right, yeah.

21:54.94
Jaime G 
so So we're about to get into like some heavy spoiler territory. You've been warned.

22:01.27
Tony Sisk
Right. Okay, so. ah Episode one, season two. I'll have a complaint right off the bat. Right? right I think this is might be one of the very first scenes, if not the first scene where they show, uh, Abby, uh, and her compatriots standing around a bunch of graves and talking about, uh, what had just happened in Salt Lake city and revealing what they were going to do about it. Basically seek out, uh,

22:44.72
Tony Sisk
Joe and Killam, right? They reveal they revealil that the very first scene, I think. I do not understand why the directors of the HBO series decided to include this scene, did did which did not exist in the game.

23:08.31
Tony Sisk
And I think it really, really

23:13.01
Tony Sisk
ah Hurts the storytelling That That is developed in the game I'm sure they have their reason But I don't know why you're why they're revealing This is super important information And they're just throwing it out there In the very first minute of the show Instead of doing the slow reveal Which I think is super impactful When you're playing the game What where are your thoughts?

23:35.96
Jaime G 
Yes. Yeah.

23:40.53
Jaime G 
I was upset. I questioned that decision. and ultimately, I think part of what made the game be, have like this big aha moment for me was the realization of, you know, some of those, those changes that they're doing in the show. Now that it's like fairly early on, this big question has been answered.

24:09.91
Tony Sisk
Right. So yeah if you've seen the first episode know of season two, you probably know the scene that we're talking about. Let me explain to you how it plays out in the game.

24:19.79
Jaime G 
Right.

24:24.02
Tony Sisk
Right. In the game. it pretty much picks up.

24:31.00
Tony Sisk
You know, we had the, we had, you we, we had ah all the drama that goes on with Ellie and Joel, you know, why she's mad at him and stuff like that. But there at the point ah in the game, which I think is in episode two of the season, Joel isn't it Tommy that are out?

24:51.20
Tony Sisk
Isn't Joel and Tommy the ones on patrol?

24:53.60
Jaime G 
In the and the original game, it is Joel and Tommy, yeah.

24:53.79
Tony Sisk
And they, Yeah, right. There's a snowstorm going on. They're out on patrol on outskirts of Jackson and they come across Abby who's by herself.

25:09.18
Tony Sisk
Abby is on the run from the, um, the horde of infected and they help her.

25:13.39
Jaime G 
A horde. The cordyceps, yeah.

25:17.87
Tony Sisk
Right. And they, they, They do the whole routine where they work as a team, the three of them, to escape from this horde. ah And then the events that shock everybody when they get to the lodge,

25:36.40
Tony Sisk
where they basically you know do their thing do the deed with Joel, Abby does. ah that i mean That's impactful because you just watch joel Help her.

25:51.75
Tony Sisk
Right. You you're watching her be rescued by Joel and Tommy. Right. And in return.

25:58.69
Jaime G 
See, think

26:02.09
Tony Sisk
It's fatal. Right. So it's like it's a fatal mistake. And it happens and you don't understand. And then Ellie shows up and you and you see what goes on and, you know, the beating, the punishment, the torture, basically.

26:18.12
Tony Sisk
And you don't understand why this is going on.

26:18.30
Jaime G 
see and think

26:21.69
Tony Sisk
Right? Who is...

26:22.37
Jaime G 
And see, but I think that that's what was powerful in the game. it just In the game, it's just senseless violence that you're like, what is going on to this character that you've kind of grown accustomed to? i mean, I don't know if you remember the post by Tabumi in our Discord channel where he said that he literally literally kind of played the games back to back.

26:50.25
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

26:50.55
Jaime G 
not having context. And he when when he reaches that point, he said he stopped playing The Last of Us 2 because he was he was upset, like really upset and stopped playing.

27:01.49
Tony Sisk
Right. So it's a visceral reaction that you have at this point. Right. Most people, most players of the game have at this point, it's like, what was, what is going on? Like people are like upset, turn the game off, refuse to play the game, eventually go back to play it. Maybe there's some people out there that just refuse to play the game anymore, but um

27:24.87
Tony Sisk
you don't have a reason. just senseless. Right. And then you go on to play the game and you're like Ellie, right? You want revenge.

27:36.41
Tony Sisk
Do you want, I'm going to hunt Abby down and make her pay. Right. And then this the story kind of gets flipped and, you know, I don't want to spoil the future of the show, but like you,

27:55.70
Jaime G 
Which if you've seen the first episode of the new season, you can.

27:59.02
Tony Sisk
Yeah. But there's, there's so much going on in the story, right? There's so much different perspectives.

28:04.11
Jaime G 
Yeah.

28:06.96
Tony Sisk
You know, we talked about before the show about having different perspectives on things and stuff. And these are, these are things are all revealed to you slowly as you're playing the game. Right. But instead we're in in, in the show, we're giving her motivation.

28:22.59
Tony Sisk
the The director gives us, The motivation of why this is happening for no reason. It's just here.

28:29.41
Jaime G 
yeah

28:31.05
Tony Sisk
Here it is.

28:32.53
Jaime G 
yeah

28:33.38
Tony Sisk
i mean, I don't understand that. Like these people. Are supposed to be masters of storytelling. and And crafting a story and understanding.

28:45.28
Tony Sisk
This sort of stuff. And to just give that that away.

28:47.53
Jaime G 
yeah

28:49.84
Tony Sisk
Like, did they not play the game? Maybe that's it. they Maybe they're reading off a script. and Oh, yeah, this this is great. Let's... Let's just do it this way.

29:01.13
Tony Sisk
Play the game, maybe. I don't know. But if you'd played, you're just giving it away. One of the guys at work, ah I went and talked to him after I watched the first episode. And I said, i had the my biggest problem with episode one this was this point right here. And he was like, he was just like you. He was like, thank you.

29:21.77
Tony Sisk
Thank you. That's the exact reaction that I had.

29:26.15
Jaime G 
That's why I kept on wanting to talk to you for two weeks.

29:26.16
Tony Sisk
Because...

29:30.72
Tony Sisk
Yeah, I just, man, I can't believe that, you know, you're just leaving out this huge, important, I mean, it's not that you left it out, you just spoiled it.

29:43.03
Tony Sisk
You just just spoiled the story.

29:43.30
Jaime G 
You've revealed it too early.

29:47.21
Tony Sisk
Right. Right.

29:48.88
Jaime G 
Part of the magic in this game for me was the moment that you realize you're not as

29:57.54
Jaime G 
Maybe I'm giving too much away here, but when when that is revealed and you're playing this, you're like, oh!

30:06.55
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

30:07.17
Jaime G 
so and and and it was lost in the TV show, like completely lost, missed opportunity. I feel this is going to be one of those decision points that we're going to look, that the showrunners are going to look back and they're going to wish they probably had held on to that a little bit longer.

30:26.54
Tony Sisk
Right. I mean, we'll see how the second season plays out, but it does make me worry a little bit about the second, how the story is going to play out just because i'm like, man, you just kind of gave a big hook away.

30:42.11
Jaime G 
I don't think i don't think this this i don't think the the second season is going to the the second video game is going to be portrayed in one season.

30:44.30
Tony Sisk
I'm like, i don't understand.

30:52.53
Jaime G 
Not at the speed they're going.

30:52.52
Tony Sisk
Oh, definitely not. The story, for for for those who don't understand, this second game is um is so big.

31:05.01
Tony Sisk
The storylines are so big that there's no way that they can put this in one season.

31:05.37
Jaime G 
Massive.

31:11.18
Jaime G 
No.

31:11.60
Tony Sisk
this This is, this it's going to take at minimum, at minimum, two seasons.

31:11.84
Jaime G 
No, there's the...

31:17.45
Tony Sisk
And i so I told somebody, like The second game could literally be ah three season, three seasons to tell it in its entirety.

31:25.41
Jaime G 
Yeah, yeah. And and and like you watched the end of like the latest episode three, and then I'm thinking, like you've only got like five more episodes to go.

31:37.37
Jaime G 
There's no way that you're even going to get to any meaningful points.

31:38.98
Tony Sisk
Yeah, they're they're not even, they're still in Jackson.

31:42.65
Jaime G 
Right?

31:42.64
Tony Sisk
They're still in Jackson.

31:44.35
Jaime G 
Well, you haven't seen episode three.

31:45.03
Tony Sisk
I'm like, I haven't seen episode three. I'm sure that's that's probably you know Seattle, but still. but there's There's just so much because you get all of Ellie's perspective.

32:00.02
Tony Sisk
And then you're going to get all the flashbacks if they're telling the story correct. And I did notice that they did a flashback for Abby in the second episode. Again,

32:08.30
Jaime G 
There are going to be flashbacks. There are going to be.

32:11.13
Tony Sisk
i complain again here. Another complaint. Why? Why was that flashback included and episode two?

32:22.25
Jaime G 
Again, it's it's ruining plot points.

32:25.01
Tony Sisk
You don't even get that reveal until halfway through the second game.

32:25.36
Jaime G 
Important.

32:28.44
Jaime G 
Uh-huh.

32:31.60
Tony Sisk
You're giving us too much. You're giving the audience too much here.

32:34.92
Jaime G 
Yeah.

32:36.08
Tony Sisk
this it's

32:36.88
Jaime G 
Yeah.

32:37.08
Tony Sisk
It's just too much. like um ah Any person with an IQ at all can probably tell you what what what this is What's happening here?

32:49.85
Tony Sisk
and In between that one flashback and what you saw in that first scene in episode one.

32:50.14
Jaime G 
Mike.

32:57.71
Tony Sisk
Like if you have any brains at all, you can put that together. but So it's like, again, the storytelling in the game is so masterful that

33:10.66
Tony Sisk
you know When you get these reveals, it's like, oh my, it's like i can't it's you you have to put the controller down and like think about it and really

33:19.35
Jaime G 
ah huh Yeah.

33:21.71
Tony Sisk
like

33:24.87
Tony Sisk
understand the impact of these moments and you're just giving the stuff away.

33:30.03
Jaime G 
Yeah. I think it's, it's, it's again, theyre that that's going to be like a, maybe we should done this different. and And there's a lot of things, smaller things that are being changed to your point and the shit in the, in the,

33:48.62
Jaime G 
In the game, it was Joel and Tommy who were on patrol, right?

33:52.43
Tony Sisk
Right.

33:52.75
Jaime G 
So Tommy was there when all this goes down. So he has more of a motivation to go out and be with Ellie when she's like, let's go out. And I mean, in the game, he goes out before they do.

34:11.23
Jaime G 
Right?

34:11.53
Tony Sisk
Right.

34:11.63
Jaime G 
They're playing catch up in many things.

34:11.73
Tony Sisk
Yeah. He had already left in the game.

34:14.15
Jaime G 
and and and

34:14.45
Tony Sisk
He'd already he left.

34:15.19
Jaime G 
and And in the show, he's he's very much like, oh, we got to bring this up with the council before we do anything. and but And Amelie just like, say, what now? You've changed the character.

34:29.44
Tony Sisk
right? but i don't know. I mean, i just think they need to just slow down. i mean, right?

34:38.67
Jaime G 
Or maybe it is what we're just saying, that they realize that they're not going to be able to do this proper justice.

34:46.25
Jaime G 
if they wait too long?

34:48.94
Tony Sisk
Yeah. I mean, it's true. they, they they could be realizing that. I'd,

34:55.09
Tony Sisk
But I just don't understand.

34:55.82
Jaime G 
I don't know.

34:56.28
Tony Sisk
like I don't understand why they're doing the flashbacks. First of all, you don't even get the flashbacks for Abby until much, much later.

35:02.22
Jaime G 
Till much later. Mm-hmm.

35:05.16
Tony Sisk
Much, much later. And then Ellie is the one that has all the flashbacks. right So it's like in the in the game.

35:12.04
Jaime G 
With Joe.

35:13.21
Tony Sisk
Because

35:15.89
Tony Sisk
dashy she's looking back on all those moments that they had together and Like, you know, she can't get back because she was bitter about her destiny and whatever, of her perceived destiny.

35:29.94
Jaime G 
Yeah. I mean,

35:35.92
Tony Sisk
Yeah, so it's like,

35:39.81
Tony Sisk
may I'm just hoping they come up with some other impactful moments that are original to the TV show maybe that would flesh out some other story points from the game or whatever. I don't want to be one of those you know so ah game purists.

35:53.16
Tony Sisk
It's like, this doesn't match the game exactly. it's you know The first season was pretty close you know ah in a lot of different aspects.

35:58.90
Jaime G 
i mean

36:01.17
Tony Sisk
Stuff

36:01.27
Jaime G 
I get it. You have to change things, right? Keep it fresh, you know maybe address some concerns you had in the original writing. But I think that that some of these changes, the changes I am like, ah probably you should have stuck to the core material little bit close to me better.

36:24.44
Tony Sisk
Right. Just because I want it, I want the show to be as great as the game. And I'm like, I like, okay, the game is still the best way to experience a story.

36:42.49
Jaime G 
This one in particular.

36:42.71
Tony Sisk
Yeah, the game the game is the best way. Like, and everybody always questions like, oh, you know, is ga gaming really an art form? It's a video game art. Yes, it is.

36:53.73
Tony Sisk
In this case, it definitely is.

36:57.04
Jaime G 
Yeah.

36:57.11
Tony Sisk
So, it's the best way to experience it.

37:01.80
Jaime G 
Yeah.

37:02.59
Tony Sisk
So, you haven't played it, go play it because it's amazing.

37:02.85
Jaime G 
I'm with you there.

37:07.49
Jaime G 
Or you can listen to like our episodes that we recorded maybe like eight months ago, whenever The Last of Us 2 remastered first launched.

37:07.58
Tony Sisk
And it's

37:15.51
Tony Sisk
Oh, the remaster. Yeah.

37:18.52
Jaime G 
played the whole series, and I kept on coming to these zi episodes and being like, I just got to this part, or I just, I kiss i killed Snowball, the little dog, and you know there' there's there's There's a lot of things happening. And Tony, did you see that they now, because the show's launching, did a remastered bundle package that comes with the first and second game?

37:41.77
Tony Sisk
Oh, really? No, I had not seen that.

37:43.42
Jaime G 
Yeah. so So they did the remaster by of two first. And now they remastered the, I mean, did they remaster the first one before doing the second one? I think they did.

37:54.37
Tony Sisk
They did. They've remastered the first one like two times.

37:55.78
Jaime G 
I can't.

37:57.27
Tony Sisk
It feels like...

37:58.11
Jaime G 
Yeah, well, yeah. So, but they they just like and released like a bundle without really announcing it. And it's it's like, I think their their the tagline is their story is your story.

38:12.42
Tony Sisk
Yeah. Um... I mean, I'm like ah um'm i'm halfway through the second episode. um And there's you know there's the nice little added scene, the Battle of Jackson, yeah I'll call it that, ah where they're infected.

38:33.44
Tony Sisk
like Thousands of them are descending on Jackson. And we were talking about before the us ah airing a podcast um how I didn't know if there was a great strategy to use cans, barrels of gasoline,

38:53.10
Tony Sisk
as a defensive measure right up against your walls when they're made of wood.

38:56.77
Jaime G 
Uh-huh.

38:57.07
Tony Sisk
I don't know. i don't I don't know how the rest of the episode plays out, but like when I saw that, I'm like, is that smart idea? like

39:04.97
Jaime G 
Okay. kip Okay, Tony, ever since you started telling me, we started talking about this, there's something I'm just like, I'm biting my tongue not to say that it was so ah irking.

39:19.27
Jaime G 
um so I'm going to out and say it, okay? Okay.

39:21.45
Tony Sisk
oh

39:22.52
Jaime G 
So it's not much of a spoiler, but have you seen that when they're doing this, there is a, what's the name of the big ah Cordyceps dude?

39:35.93
Jaime G 
There's a bloater that comes out. And let's just say the bloater manages to get through the defenses, right? And so there's a scene where the bloater's coming at Tommy.

39:50.06
Jaime G 
Okay, man. Whenever you see this scene, I'd like to see if you agree or disagree with this because Tommy just gets into like this Rambo stance, unloads a flamethrower, right, at the bloater.

40:04.62
Tony Sisk
Right.

40:06.63
Jaime G 
And he's like, ah as ah there's there's there's flames going through the... He never moves, man. He just gets in like this this action pose.

40:17.13
Tony Sisk
right

40:17.89
Jaime G 
And then he runs out of... you know, gas. But by that time, the bloater takes like two steps and just like dies. And then when I was watching the ah commentary at the end of the show, the director or somebody's like, man, how cool was it to film a scene where Tommy's having a boss fight against a bloater? I'm like,

40:41.73
Jaime G 
Bro, you haven't played this game. ah A boss fight against a bloater? You're running around. You're trying to scrounge out bullets. You're trying to find space to reload. This dude just stayed one spot.

40:56.12
Tony Sisk
right. There's no just standing in and in taking a bloater down. you know, it, it just like it's, they'd be shoot, you know, know shoot, shoot, shoot.

41:01.24
Jaime G 
No.

41:07.72
Tony Sisk
It's a flamethrower. Shoot, shoot, shoot.

41:09.71
Jaime G 
yeah

41:10.10
Tony Sisk
Some more flamethrower. run, run, run. Yeah. Yeah.

41:12.56
Jaime G 
Yeah, yeah.

41:13.21
Tony Sisk
run run run run

41:15.67
Jaime G 
What are you talking about? That is not a boss fight against a bloater by any stretch of the imagination.

41:17.31
Tony Sisk
yeah

41:23.47
Tony Sisk
Right. And then, you know, in the game, there's even a bigger, uh, big, uh, bigger creature that you have to fight. And yeah, that's like shotgun blast, shotgun blast, shotgun blast, flamethrower, dynamite, dynamite, Run, run, run.

41:37.81
Jaime G 
Move. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. i know I know which one you're talking to me about because now I've played the game.

41:47.98
Jaime G 
Yeah. and And actually, literally, the one that you're talking about, many times I died reloading.

41:55.19
Tony Sisk
Oh, yeah.

41:55.68
Jaime G 
Because, again, you're just trying to create the spacing, know your environment, hop through whatever wall or whatever you can get.

41:59.24
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

42:02.78
Tony Sisk
Yeah. All in the dark.

42:04.88
Jaime G 
Yeah. Yeah.

42:07.02
Tony Sisk
Because you've dropped, you've lost your flashlight somewhere.

42:07.85
Jaime G 
There is... there is no There is no, I'm going to stay still in this one position and just empty my clip.

42:10.63
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

42:16.14
Jaime G 
No way.

42:17.17
Tony Sisk
yeah

42:18.42
Jaime G 
Which actually adds a really cool element to the game, by the way. But i think I think the director did not play this game and doesn't understand what a boss fight is.

42:29.72
Tony Sisk
Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think he played the game either. Or the directors or whoever the executive producer was.

42:32.88
Jaime G 
No.

42:36.87
Tony Sisk
i don't... I mean, I know in the first season they had the guy who actually

42:39.45
Jaime G 
yeah but

42:42.37
Tony Sisk
was the game developer the lead developer you know help produce the show i don't know if that's the case in the second season i don't remember saying his name but yeah it makes me wonder did you play the game i don't know

42:59.87
Jaime G 
Yeah, right? I mean, in general, have you played a boss fight at all?

43:05.01
Tony Sisk
right there's just still standing there there's still standing in any boss fight ever

43:08.93
Jaime G 
No.

43:11.74
Tony Sisk
Like there should be phases to this, right?

43:16.17
Jaime G 
Right. it's like maybe Maybe he changes forms mid-battle us.

43:24.51
Jaime G 
But anyway, yes. I'm liking the show. I do feel that the first season had a lot more impact on me as a viewer.

43:37.89
Jaime G 
Maybe it's because I had never completed the campaign. And so a lot of these things were new. And I was like, oh cool. um I'm not digging all the all the changes to the source material.

43:51.77
Jaime G 
I get it why they're trying to do some of these things. But I'm still like, some of them I think were not in the best direction for the viewers.

44:02.07
Tony Sisk
Right Yeah I mean I see ah think the show will still be great It just won't hit the heights That I would think it can hit Just because The potential Right so I mean it'll still be an award winning Show from HBO You know ah Another HBO Masterpiece with some Awards and stuff like that But you know

44:12.49
Jaime G 
Right, the potential that it that it has. Right, yeah.

44:31.62
Jaime G 
Well...

44:32.05
Tony Sisk
no, it could have been so much more.

44:38.05
Jaime G 
I mean, true gamers will probably all agree, but yeahp All the execs are like patting themselves on the back and like, good job.

44:43.43
Tony Sisk
Right.

44:46.35
Tony Sisk
Yeah. I mean, it's still great. It's still great. It's not like Halo, you know, it's like the Halo TV show or know some other bad, uh,

44:59.08
Tony Sisk
Shows that were made. What was that? What was the

45:04.26
Jaime G 
Twisted Metal.

45:05.67
Tony Sisk
Twisted Metal. You know exactly what i was talking about.

45:07.85
Jaime G 
I knew where you were going with it.

45:09.71
Tony Sisk
ah Garbage. Like, golly.

45:12.36
Jaime G 
It's getting a second season.

45:14.10
Tony Sisk
Is it really?

45:15.47
Jaime G 
I promise you.

45:16.01
Tony Sisk
It's crazy. We need to do a show ranking the best and worst that adaptation adaptations or shows. Now, Fallout was great. Did you watch Fallout?

45:28.09
Jaime G 
Absolutely.

45:29.75
Tony Sisk
Did you play the game?

45:30.40
Jaime G 
i'm waiting. I never played the game, but the show, man, was at it? I so loved Lucy Titus. It had me hooked.

45:38.91
Tony Sisk
The show was amazing.

45:40.07
Jaime G 
Yes. Yes.

45:40.93
Tony Sisk
The show was amazing. It came out of nowhere, too. Like, did anybody even know that they were making this?

45:43.77
Jaime G 
Right.

45:45.43
Tony Sisk
Like, two months out, I think, they said, oh, yeah, hey, we got a Fallout show coming out.

45:49.05
Jaime G 
Oh, I think they announced it, but it was like very, very like soft promo stuff. and then And then it comes out and it was like, this shit was epic.

45:55.54
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

46:00.92
Tony Sisk
Yeah, and acting was great.

46:03.12
Jaime G 
Hey, Tony, there is actually one other video game adaptation that actually released maybe a month ago that I don't think it's getting enough love as it could.

46:14.16
Tony Sisk
What's that?

46:14.92
Jaime G 
and i And I have this in my hand. Check this out. you read Can you make this read this?

46:21.10
Tony Sisk
Oh, Devil May Cry.

46:22.98
Jaime G 
Devil May Cry from the PlayStation 2. I actually went out and looked for my old cartridges. um I actually had Devil May Cry 1, but I lent it to a guy at Goldheim.

46:36.45
Jaime G 
Get the irony in it. I'm telling you the truth.

46:39.40
Tony Sisk
Those hymies.

46:39.52
Jaime G 
Never gave it back to me. Oh, dude. And we were in college, man. I was like, bro, where's my on emotion? Where's my devil may cry? Oh, it's in my car, dude.

46:49.71
Jaime G 
It's like, well, go get it.

46:50.53
Tony Sisk
Right. Melted.

46:52.02
Jaime G 
Keep going to his car, never come back.

46:52.79
Tony Sisk
Uh-huh.

46:55.01
Jaime G 
And that's what I'm saying. That's the irony in this. ah Anyway, the the show dropped on Netflix. It's anime, so it's not live action. So it's a, you know, a lot of people are going to be put off by that.

47:07.79
Jaime G 
I will tell you this. It's good. It's there's like so, so many video game references.

47:11.99
Tony Sisk
Okay.

47:17.09
Jaime G 
It's not even funny. It's like the people who are writing, directing and doing all this took their time to make like so many Capcom references. And again, this game is actually developed by Capcom where There is so much love to the whole company and so many things. and There's like some even some references that are very, very deep cuts that you're like, wait, is that what I think it is? and and in it

47:48.44
Jaime G 
It's a great show. it it's It's intended to last for more than a season if the ratings um are where Netflix want them.

47:59.59
Jaime G 
Although Netflix is really odd because you never know what their ratings are.

48:03.17
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

48:04.81
Jaime G 
But if you've ever been a fan or been curious about Devil May Cry, this is a perfect opportunity to jump into Devil May Cry has had...

48:16.33
Jaime G 
One, two, three, four, five main games in the series. They tried to like do a ah reboot in the PlayStation 3 area for They Will Make Cry with a game that was developed by Ninja Theory, which was a good game, but people really like rejected the idea that Dante was like a punk emo guy and no longer like a guy with white hair.

48:39.91
Jaime G 
My only complaint about this, and this is ah as a series as a whole, is that They try to say that you know there can be good demons. I disagree with that in principle.

48:52.49
Jaime G 
ah you There's not going to be a good demon.

48:55.13
Tony Sisk
Right?

48:55.45
Jaime G 
Just right?

48:55.69
Tony Sisk
That's why they're demons.

49:00.89
Jaime G 
ah But it's but it but if you if you get past that, that like they're always like trying to do like a redemption arc for these characters. but But it's a good show.

49:13.05
Jaime G 
it's it's It's got funny. it's It's funny. It's got so many references to other stuff. it it It did a great job. It set out to entertain. And I think it nails it for this type of game, which is you know see not a serious thing like The Last of Us.

49:31.06
Tony Sisk
Right.

49:31.57
Jaime G 
but it embraces the wackiness and craziness of the source material that it came from. So if you like anime, it's on Netflix.

49:37.33
Tony Sisk
Cool. I'll have to check out You said it's on Netflix.

49:40.91
Jaime G 
Check it out. it's It's a different pace than The Last of Us. I will warn you about that already.

49:47.99
Tony Sisk
I'm sure it is.

49:49.47
Jaime G 
Yeah.

49:52.65
Tony Sisk
Cool. Awesome.

49:53.21
Jaime G 
but but But again, it's cool. Check it out.

49:56.39
Tony Sisk
All right. Well,

49:59.22
Tony Sisk
All right. Well, I think that that's all I got for tonight. Anything else you want to talk about?

50:03.39
Jaime G 
ah

50:04.97
Tony Sisk
we have so Our list of topics was like 20 long.

50:07.46
Jaime G 
Oh, man.

50:08.80
Tony Sisk
It's like ah there's been so much stuff happening since the last time we've podcasted. We got into season two of Marvel Rivals. ah

50:18.50
Jaime G 
Yup.

50:19.51
Tony Sisk
We've got Nintendo 2 Switch ah pre-orders happening.

50:24.20
Jaime G 
We've got tariffs ah up the wazoo.

50:26.31
Tony Sisk
yeah the whole pricing are we even going to get Nintendo Switches in America that drama played out $4.50 right $80 $80 for Switch game

50:34.98
Jaime G 
By the way, Nintendo Switch 2 pricing is ridiculous. You cannot. Yeah. And you cannot tell me that their their their video games are now going to be, guess what, more expensive.

50:47.10
Tony Sisk
eighty dollars yeah eighty dollars for a switch game

50:52.94
Jaime G 
Yeah. And by the way, I've been reading on on this. It seems like they're there're the the game cartridges are basically ah key yeah key codes.

51:04.66
Jaime G 
Remember how they did me with Modern Warfare 2?

51:06.87
Tony Sisk
Oh, yeah.

51:08.37
Jaime G 
It's exactly that.

51:08.36
Tony Sisk
not even in the game.

51:09.01
Jaime G 
like Yeah. yeah It's not even the game. it's It's the key so you can download it and play it. And there's like a big controversy around this because there was ah a game that was published, I think, by EA, where they just basic basically decided to shut off their servers.

51:26.41
Jaime G 
when And you know there's still a community of people playing this. And now that game becomes became unplayable because there was no single single mode, not online version that you could play.

51:32.02
Tony Sisk
Right.

51:38.60
Jaime G 
And so I think they they they even sued them. So i I, you know what? I'm one of those guys where like like like I was showing you right here, I have a copy of Devil May Cry in my hand. I would have the other one if Jaime hadn't taken it from me.

51:54.74
Jaime G 
I can go back and play this whenever, right?

51:57.39
Tony Sisk
yeah

51:58.51
Jaime G 
If the Nintendo eShop, Wii Shop or whatever they call it goes down, guess what? You lost your games.

52:06.02
Jaime G 
i'm not I'm not on board with this console at this moment. And it's not even as powerful as Xbox.

52:15.08
Tony Sisk
Well, yeah I mean, don't know. ah I haven't seen the power specs yet, so I heard it's pretty powerful. I don't know. i don't Where are Xboxes produced? you know Where are they made?

52:29.89
Tony Sisk
China?

52:30.34
Jaime G 
Probably Mexico.

52:32.08
Tony Sisk
Mexico? Okay.

52:33.38
Jaime G 
Yeah. But but Tony, youre i can I can guarantee you this. your handheld Steam Deck is going to be much more powerful than it than a Nintendo Switch 2.

52:42.15
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

52:46.69
Jaime G 
two Yeah.

52:49.87
Tony Sisk
Yeah, well, I hope so. and I hope they him up come out with a new Steam Deck model. That'd be pretty cool.

53:01.40
Tony Sisk
We'll see.

53:01.88
Jaime G 
But.

53:01.92
Tony Sisk
ah i think all that stuff is going be put on hold for a while because there is ah there's a lot of stuff going on right now with as far as products, where they're originating and stuff like that.

53:14.93
Tony Sisk
I saw where the Nintendo Switch...

53:15.20
Jaime G 
Yeah, that...

53:18.04
Tony Sisk
The original pricing was like $450 or something. And then with the tariffs on

53:25.80
Tony Sisk
on on Japan, which I think ah the switches are mostly made in China or Vietnam, some point someplace like that, the pricing was going to go to like $650 for the switch.

53:28.53
Jaime G 
China.

53:41.67
Tony Sisk
Yeah. for the switch ah Then that's been put on limba on hold with the 90-day exemption for the Japanese-produced ones.

53:44.39
Jaime G 
Yeah.

53:52.74
Tony Sisk
and But then if they were to be made in America, a Switch would cost like $1,300 to buy. It's like, okay, well, that's not helping anybody. Yeah.

54:06.08
Tony Sisk
So there's a lot of question marks when it comes to products coming into the States that are mostly made overseas. So we'll see.

54:18.46
Tony Sisk
So I hope, I mean, it could be devastating for the video game market as a whole.

54:19.20
Jaime G 
oh

54:24.34
Tony Sisk
I'm just saying like, not to get off into another topic. So, you know, but just, it's going to have an impact. You know, you know, I'm a big board gamer and no it's already having an impact on and board gaming.

54:37.28
Tony Sisk
We've got, because both those board games are made ah outside of the U so.

54:41.04
Jaime G 
oh Oh, I read that there was like one one company that was recognized in the board game industry, but it was from like Taiwan. that they basically said we're no longer going to be like, you got, it got like really difficult for, for them to become profitable.

54:58.61
Tony Sisk
Right, yeah. Yeah, I mean, so I don't know how our hard it is to make board game, you know, but there's going to be a transition period there for sure.

55:10.68
Tony Sisk
But, you know, there's going to be games that are not going to be available in America just because it's too expensive to get them in here. So unless they find a local manufacturer of it, which I'm sure, though, they could, i guess.

55:26.06
Tony Sisk
But, yeah, we'll see.

55:26.84
Jaime G 
ah great It was it greater than games, apparently because 145% rate

55:30.39
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

55:37.31
Jaime G 
terror

55:38.36
Tony Sisk
Right. Yeah. Right. And obviously, you know, like I'm not going to spend $350 on a board game. yeah

55:46.79
Jaime G 
who who

55:47.77
Tony Sisk
No, I'll, I'll find another board game. Okay. I'll find something else, you know, but yeah, I mean, a lot of my hobbies are being impacted right now.

55:56.15
Jaime G 
oh

55:58.61
Tony Sisk
im just saying, don't know. I'll have to find some used stuff.

56:06.82
Tony Sisk
All right. That's all I got for tonight.

56:09.33
Jaime G 
Cool. Tony, a pleasure. Finish watching episode two and episode three. Tell me if you agree with some of the things I've already talked about. And as always, you know, looking forward to see where where the next conversation takes us.

56:26.06
Jaime G 
By the way, I've already put up in Discord the posts around how much money and how much and how do you think the Thunderbolster is going to be rated.

56:37.38
Tony Sisk
Cool.

56:37.53
Jaime G 
So it's up for 24 hours.

56:38.62
Tony Sisk
Awesome. All right.

56:41.98
Jaime G 
Go and vote.

56:42.15
Tony Sisk
Awesome. All right. Discord followers, go in there, vote on it. Let's hear what you guys have to say. um Yeah, if you're not a part of our Discords, you can find a link our to our Discord community in the show description. So click on that and join the Discord community.

57:01.86
Tony Sisk
Love to have you. ah Now we're kind of back on schedule. Should be having more episodes come out again unless another one one of us goes on vacation for a long time. but um But yeah, lots of topics talk about, lots of games to get into.

57:20.04
Tony Sisk
So can't wait to get into those conversations and be back on our regular schedule.

57:24.62
Jaime G 
Yeah.

57:26.40
Tony Sisk
Thanks for joining us tonight and I hope you enjoyed the episode and I'll catch you later.

57:31.88
Jaime G 
Yeah. Talk to soon, man.