Andor Series Review: Is it Really Star Wars If There Are No Jedi?

In this episode, we address Jaime's question if Andor can really be considered a Star Wars Show without space Samurai wielding plasma swords!

Transcript

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Jaime G 
i'm I'm just brainstorming some ideas.

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Jaime G 
OK. All right. I've got a couple of things here noted.

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Tony Sisk
Okay.

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Jaime G 
But I'm going to say that when it gets into when it gets into the and or point, Tony, I'm probably going to take a back seat because you all have seen it. ah But i will i can't I would like to contribute this other people

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Tony Sisk
ah

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Jaime G 
piece of feedback I've gotten from other people.

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Sentfrmheaven
Thank you.

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Tony Sisk
Right.

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Jaime G 
Now, was it you the one that was that were saying like, it this this is a work of art?

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Tony Sisk
i mean, that's,

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Tony Sisk
Did I say that last week? I probably did.

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Jaime G 
I don't know, but that's i'm saying.

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Tony Sisk
is a work of art.

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Jaime G 
But somebody's told me like this.

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Tony Sisk
Yes, it is. would ah I would say it is a work of art.

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Jaime G 
OK.

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Tony Sisk
It is the pinnacle of storytelling. Storytelling.

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Tony Sisk
So, it's the last of us of video games. It's the, you know, it's the top considered Yes.

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Tony Sisk
Yes.

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Jaime G 
But

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Tony Sisk
It's so well put together that you could literally go back. You're going to see so much media, so much discussion, YouTubers breaking down so manyly so many elements of the show.

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Tony Sisk
ah And every every one of them is going to be some sort of impactful view.

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Jaime G 
But this is it, right? There's only two seasons.

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Tony Sisk
Right, there's only two seasons.

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Sentfrmheaven
you

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Jaime G 
at At some point, he meets up with the main character of row one, and that's it.

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Tony Sisk
Right. Which is another how they dealt with that, how they did it, where it lines flush with the movie is so well done.

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Jaime G 
Yeah.

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Tony Sisk
And if you are a fan of Rogue One, I don't know if you watched Rogue One or not, ah you have not seen Rogue One.

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Jaime G 
I have it.

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Jaime G 
No, no, no. I have it. I seen it.

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Tony Sisk
Oh, you have it. Okay. I was going say, I'm like, what is wrong with you?

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Jaime G 
No, no, no. I have that.

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Tony Sisk
yeah

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Jaime G 
I do have that one.

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Tony Sisk
i mean, I would consider Rogue One number three in the hierarchy hierarchy of Star Wars movies.

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Jaime G 
It's just.

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Jaime G 
Well, well, here's the thing.

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Tony Sisk
Behind New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and then you have

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Jaime G 
Rogue One is a movie that that can be. it Dude, Rogue One can be a good movie. even if it were not in the and the Jedi universe. i think I think it was a good movie in general.

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Tony Sisk
Yes, it's good movie. Yeah, i agree. Totally. Okay, anyway.

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Jaime G 
OK.

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Tony Sisk
Are you ready?

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Jaime G 
Hey, Vance, I got a question for you, man.

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Sentfrmheaven
Yes.

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Jaime G 
that ah That Elgato Kier, is it pretty cool, man?

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Sentfrmheaven
ah I'm not too familiar with it. oh ah Yes, yes, a yes, yes, yes.

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Jaime G 
Well, that yeah, that that is an Elgato one, right?

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Tony Sisk
Okay.

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Jaime G 
The stream deck.

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Sentfrmheaven
oh

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Jaime G 
You got the big one too, man.

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Tony Sisk
Thank you.

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Sentfrmheaven
I literally, yeah, I literally just so like put some stuff on there. So I have like, about nine buttons with it, but I got to like incorporate it into the stream somehow.

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Jaime G 
i' I've been like debating whether to get one or not.

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Sentfrmheaven
Right.

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Jaime G 
But i'm like I don't stream or anything, right?

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Sentfrmheaven
the

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Jaime G 
So I'm just like, can I use her for like productivity stuff?

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Tony Sisk
but Yeah. what What would you be using it for?

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Jaime G 
drags No, that I mean, open up Excel, click.

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Tony Sisk
You're making your own work videos. You know?

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Sentfrmheaven
they But year buck yeah, I mean, iss it's iss definitely pretty cool.

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Tony Sisk
i mean, you could definitely use it for that.

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Sentfrmheaven
And I've seen people who have your like you know everything on it. And then you have some people that's like all El Gato. So you know it's like it controls everything you like.

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Sentfrmheaven
You might get all that good stuff. But I just have this in the capture card or whatever like that.

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Jaime G 
Yeah.

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Sentfrmheaven
But it's pretty cool, though.

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Jaime G 
okay OK. Sorry, man. I digress.

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Sentfrmheaven
Yeah.

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Sentfrmheaven
ah

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Tony Sisk
What was that?

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Jaime G 
but Hey, wait. Dude, you know you need to add the the the bra the brow sound effect.

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Sentfrmheaven
Ready. the b

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Jaime G 
Oh, see, there you go, Tony. He's got it set up like you.

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Tony Sisk
Yeah.

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Sentfrmheaven
oh

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Jaime G 
All right, sorry, I'm going to shut up now.

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Sentfrmheaven
yeah get

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Tony Sisk
All right. Okay. You guys ready?

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Jaime G 
Ready.

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Sentfrmheaven
ready

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Tony Sisk
All right.

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Tony Sisk
Hi folks, welcome back to Good2GameRadio. I'm here tonight with Jaime and Vance. What's up guys? How's it going?

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Jaime G 
All good, man. It's been a minute.

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Sentfrmheaven
It's going pretty good, going pretty good.

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Tony Sisk
Awesome. it's ah it's ah It's a treat to have Vance again with us. It's like two out of three weeks. Man, it's like a trend.

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Sentfrmheaven
and I'm trying to better in every way.

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Tony Sisk
Yeah.

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Jaime G 
But let's make this a a habit, man.

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Sentfrmheaven
absolutely, absolutely.

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Tony Sisk
Right? Alright. So, our topic for tonight is going back last week and kind of connecting to the last episode.

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Tony Sisk
But we're talking some more and or. I know that Vance, you ah talked to me quite a bit this past week about finishing up the show. And you were excited to talk about it once you had finished it. So, now is our opportunity to jump in and see what you thought.

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Tony Sisk
But first, I wanted to put a question out there. And this came up in last week's episode with Jaime after i kind of talked about my experience binge watching season one over the last week or so.

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Tony Sisk
And what I actually thought about the show now that I had actually finally watched it. um And I told him that, it you know, I was really super impressed with Andor and it was a great show.

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Tony Sisk
And he came back with the question, is it really Star Wars if it doesn't have a Jedi? So I think that's a great question. Is it really Star Wars?

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Tony Sisk
What do you think, Vance?

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Sentfrmheaven
I think it is very much, very much Star Wars.

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Sentfrmheaven
I think it it really embodies what Star Wars is even without the Jedi's, it's you know, real good versus evil. You know, like as a kid, that was my first introduction to that, you know, was the Star Wars trilogy.

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Sentfrmheaven
VHS set, by the way.

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Tony Sisk
The big box set VHS.

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Jaime G 
Dude, dude,

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Tony Sisk
I got that.

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Sentfrmheaven
Yes.

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Jaime G 
dude.

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Sentfrmheaven
and yeah

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Jaime G 
I asked Tony this question earlier before you hopped in, Vance. If there's no samurai that's wielding a plasma sword, it ain't Star Wars.

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Sentfrmheaven
Well, I feel like at some point you have to help yourself. And I think the Jedi show up when it's, you know, when it's time to fight, you know, like the big dogs. But other than that, it's like, you know, like they did a real good job of ah not making them helpless, you know, not relying on on you know, we need Luke, you know, not relying on that. Like they did a real good job of,

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Sentfrmheaven
being resourceful.

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Tony Sisk
Right. So this is my response to you, Hami. I've thought about it all week long, right? My comebacks to you on this particular question, right?

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Jaime G 
It's, dude, I'm sorry if it if it's if it's created so much divisiveness.

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Tony Sisk
Right? One, Star Wars is a universe, right? A big question a lot of people have, what is Star Wars? Is it a genre? Is it a, you know, what is it exactly?

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Tony Sisk
Star Wars is a universe, right? it it's ah It's a galaxy far, far away, right? with that Knowing that, you know it's ah it's a backdrop to countless stories.

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Tony Sisk
And in this particularly to this particular time frame of the Star Wars universe, this was post, ah what was it the Order 66 or something like that?

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Tony Sisk
What was the order theylymp that executed all the Jedi?

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Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, I think it was 66.

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Tony Sisk
Yeah. Where the clone troopers all had to turn on their Jedi masters. And they basically hunted down all the Jedi. And Anakin slaughtered all the younglings. And all the Jedi hunted down.

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Tony Sisk
like During this time frame, this is pre-New Hope. There's not any Jedi. You have Obi-Wan hiding in a desert somewhere. And we have a show about Obi-Wan.

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Tony Sisk
We got that show. But... But for all intents and purposes, there's there's no Jedi. So if you say that Star Wars is only about Jedi, then literally you have whole time periods that don't have Jedi or they're in hiding.

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Tony Sisk
So you couldn't actually tell anything about those time periods to meet that criteria that you were just talking about. Yeah, go ahead.

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Jaime G 
But more, mike I think my comment also includes the thought process of, is it a worthwhile story if there's no Jedi? I mean, do I really care about this? It's just a bunch of guys, the Rebellion, eh. There are a dime a dozen, man.

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Tony Sisk
So here's the thing, right? This story, Andor, lays the groundwork for Luke and what he does in A New Hope, right?

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Tony Sisk
Without what these guys do, Luke is still on that planet farming. He never taps into being a Jedi, right? Obi-Wan never comes out of hiding because they never got the message from Leia.

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Tony Sisk
Then the droids never came down. All that happened because of what happened in this series. This series talks about, you know, it builds up to the point where um it leads into the discovery of the Death Star but the m by the rebels and what they needed to do to steal the plans and and give them to leia to get to the rebels to do something about it right luke happens to fall within that storyline if these guys in andor this is the beginning and or deals with the beginning of the rebellion the forming at the very beginning they were nothing all they were were people that were that were feeling oppressed they had anger

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Tony Sisk
And they were just individually as separate groups doing things to no real effect, right? They were just doing, you know, a fight here and there, but they really weren't affecting anything.

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Tony Sisk
Andor tells a story about how this coalesces from, you know, a couple of individuals. And literally it gets down to the very, very beginning of the rebellion and who I'm getting to echo.

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Sentfrmheaven
the finger very, very beginning of the rebellion. And who, I'm going to echo,

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Sentfrmheaven
um,

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Tony Sisk
ah Gets down to The very very beginning of the rebellion And like literally who put that seed and and into into the ground and let it start growing into the rebellion.

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Tony Sisk
So if that stuff doesn't happen, Luke does nothing. There is no New Hope movie. there's no And from there, there's no Return in the Giant and all that stuff. This is actually critical background information. like You don't tell a great story by just jumping into the action of things.

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Tony Sisk
right It's like...

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Tony Sisk
like the Superbowl, right? If you're watching a football game, if you just go and do the last, you know, 30 seconds of the game where the, the losing team comes back and they're going to go for the winning touchdown.

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Tony Sisk
If you don't actually see what happened the the entire four quarters before that and how they were down and they were beaten and they, They look like you you know like the Patriots when they were playing the Falcons and they came back by 30-something points and won at the end.

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Tony Sisk
If you don't see that, then the story, what impact is at the end? Have you? You're just seeing a team score, right? you have You get the entire ups and downs of the story that leads up to ah new hope.

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Tony Sisk
And to directly address your question, does Andor have Jedi in it?

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Tony Sisk
does It doesn't show a Jedi. It does show force-sensitive individuals. They address it.

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Tony Sisk
One of the characters actually says, I don't believe in this stuff. It's just hokey-pokey stuff that people believe in. They actually address it.

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Tony Sisk
They actually, through that sequence of events, I'm not going to spoil anything, They bring back that special thing that you felt in A New Hope when Luke was discovering about the Force, right? Because he'd never heard of the Force.

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Tony Sisk
And Obi-Wan is telling him about, you know, and showing him what you can do with it. But it's in small quantities. Even in A New Hope, when ah Luke is doing the the trench run,

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Tony Sisk
Luke is not doing anything special, right? The Force is having its effect on Luke because it's ingrained in him. And Vader could not get the lock on him because he was strong with the Force, right?

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Tony Sisk
You actually have that kind of set up in Andor. They actually talk about that, how the Force... is there and it's it's doing something because there's a force will there's a forced sense of the person and they're talking about it and they're like, I can i can sense it, you know, around and and it's and it's attached itself to this particular individual. So they actually talk about it in Andor.

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Tony Sisk
And The beauty of Andor, the story, I think particularly in season two, they tell it in three. There's 12 episodes and every episode, ah every three episodes comprise a story arc.

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Tony Sisk
Right. So you have three episodes that deal with kind of the same story. So they they're like mini movies. So. they have this trifecta of storytelling going on.

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Tony Sisk
Now, if you look at it, you have Andor season one, Andor season two, Rogue One, the way they mesh and have the end of season two run into the very beginning of Rogue One, you have to consider Rogue One as the third story in the arc, the total arc.

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Tony Sisk
Season one, season two, Rogue One. So it completes the entire story, right? Well, we all know in Rogue One, spoilers here, if you've always seen Rogue One, there's a Force wielder that shows up at the end of... ah in the end of season, not season one, but in the end of that movie and destroys everybody, right? So...

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Tony Sisk
There are Jedi in this story because Rogue One is part of the story. This is just, think of it as 12, 12 episode movie that's just leading right into Rogue One.

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Tony Sisk
So it does have Jedi. It does not necessarily have a Jedi. It has an ex-Jedi. has a Sith. But if you look at it that way, it's got the Force.

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Jaime G 
So it's got the force.

00:17:00.09
Tony Sisk
But they don't overdo it. And that's a big problem with a lot of the stories, Star Wars properties of under Disney is they took what was special about the force and made it so common and put it into the hands of morons and idiots.

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Tony Sisk
Like, so what good is the force if this this person is able to wield the force? You know, just like we saw in the Acolyte. we ah We saw a whole team of Jedi. whole platoon of them get annihilated by one person.

00:17:33.81
Tony Sisk
What good was the force? What was special about the force at that point? Right? When you have Luke, who didn't even who couldn't do anything with the force. He had no force capability in New Hope.

00:17:48.25
Tony Sisk
But he blew up that freaking Death Star because he just allowed the force to work through him. It was nothing that he actually did. That same principle is in Andor with the main character.

00:18:06.43
Tony Sisk
at the you know I don't want to spoil too much, but that principle applies. Vance, you know how

00:18:14.84
Tony Sisk
Andor always says, i'm not i don't have I don't have any skills. I'm not good at anything. I'm just lucky.

00:18:23.76
Tony Sisk
Really? Are you lucky? Are you?

00:18:26.28
Sentfrmheaven
right

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Tony Sisk
Because we've seen this character get put in so many situations where everybody else is dying.

00:18:36.20
Tony Sisk
and he fought And he survives. He he finds a way. If that is not the force working in somebody, I don't know what it is if you're talking Star Wars.

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Tony Sisk
So...

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Sentfrmheaven
Right, you're right. I think,

00:18:53.32
Sentfrmheaven
I forget her name, but she even says at the end, he has to stop saving people. But that's like his gift.

00:19:01.87
Tony Sisk
Right, yeah. yeah mean yeah Andor is like 007. ah seven He's like James Bond. If there's a special mission, they're giving it to Andor, right? So,

00:19:19.36
Tony Sisk
but yeah, Jaime, you said, what what was it that your friend said, told you?

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Jaime G 
ah Well, I mean, and i can't remember now if this was you or my friend, but somebody else has stepped up and and said, this is like the greatest thing that they've ever seen, period.

00:19:39.01
Jaime G 
and And again, as somebody who hasn't seen it and who still doesn't believe it's Star Wars, I mean, i was i was surprised because you were the first to bring this to my attention of how good this this show was.

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Jaime G 
And somebody else has come out and said, you know, I, he didn't say I agree with you because he hasn't heard you, but he said, this is something that everyone should watch. And this, this should set the bar of how there should be storytelling and in, in, in, in shows.

00:20:11.74
Tony Sisk
Right.

00:20:13.39
Sentfrmheaven
yeah Yeah, I believe that thousand percent because I mean like, watching Andor and the other shows, I really don't understand why writing for Bubba Fett was so bad.

00:20:14.85
Tony Sisk
so

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Sentfrmheaven
You know, because like said, Andor is like the right way to write the story. I mean, like, season two, it's incredible. I mean, from the first episode to the last episode, it's like You're like, man, this is what it's supposed to be about.

00:20:45.24
Sentfrmheaven
And if you like, you know, good versus bad, if you like storytelling action, this it.

00:20:54.80
Tony Sisk
Go ahead.

00:20:55.17
Jaime G 
Well, I mean, honestly, I think that one of the... I don't know this, okay, about Andor, so I'm going to probably not share much much on that, but what was that previous show, Tony, that came out about the twins, witches, total, utter failure?

00:21:11.36
Tony Sisk
Yeah. The acolyte.

00:21:14.38
Jaime G 
that like That show, admittedly, by producers, was written by people who had no knowledge about the Star Wars universe itself.

00:21:25.85
Jaime G 
right? Because they wanted to get a fresh perspective on it. It sounds to me like here it's quite the opposite story.

00:21:28.96
Tony Sisk
Right.

00:21:32.52
Jaime G 
It's people who recognize the source material. They probably are missing that they have to have Jedi's in there somehow. um But they recognize the source material. They know where it builds up to in Rogue One and beyond.

00:21:47.99
Jaime G 
And they're saying, this let's connect all the dots.

00:21:52.17
Tony Sisk
Right. So, the the the director for andor i think his name is tony gilroy um with producer director whatever producer um the man in charge he was actually the one that i think uh did rogue one so he had a very good knowledge

00:22:14.80
Sentfrmheaven
So, yeah.

00:22:18.24
Tony Sisk
of what they were trying to connect to.

00:22:18.90
Sentfrmheaven
what

00:22:20.58
Tony Sisk
Right. Now I, I saw a thing the other day where, um, he, somebody said that, um,

00:22:29.58
Tony Sisk
how important was the Star Wars canon ah for him in in the story of Andor? And I think he said, because it seemed like some of the stuff didn't quite mesh with some previous canon that had been set.

00:22:44.63
Tony Sisk
um And he, like, ah the the backstory for the droid, the KSO, KSO2 or whatever, there was some canon backstory with that particular droid.

00:22:58.22
Tony Sisk
and they changed it in the show and um and he was like well you know the canon we're not gonna let the canon get in the way of our story right so it's like he he felt that if i can do it better i'm gonna do it better you know what i'm saying like i think that's pretty much what he was saying and um hey understand that Disney gave him pretty much complete control of the of the process.

00:23:28.33
Tony Sisk
um What's pretty different in this show, don't remember if it was something in the Acolyte or not, but there's not a lot of cameos.

00:23:40.64
Tony Sisk
like You're not seeing characters from other ah stories and stuff like that all these characters um and the storytelling is just within this particular timeline and stuff you're not seeing luke's you know well they actually had talked about princess leia i saw where uh because at the end at the at the end of rogue one you see princess leia right take the plans and the ship

00:24:12.68
Tony Sisk
dart off and and vader goes after him right they actually wanted to include a scene with uh uh princess leia in and or but they decided that to cut it out because um it didn't it didn't mesh well with the story that they were that they were doing and actually it's like okay well a lot of the other star wars shows they don't do that if they if they can fit a cameo in like like uh

00:24:21.47
Sentfrmheaven
but

00:24:43.02
Tony Sisk
The Bubba Fett show. Right? The book Bubba Fett. We get two and a half episodes of Mandalorian. Right? You don't even see Bubba Fett.

00:24:54.78
Tony Sisk
Like, you talk about going over the top with the cameo. Literally, he took over the show. Like they didn't have any of that in Andor. You're not going to see, you know, historical historical, like it's a real history, but historical Star Wars figures showing up and doing cameos in Andor because they don't want to take away from the story that they're trying to tell.

00:25:17.53
Tony Sisk
The story that they're trying to tell is so is ordinary people making great sacrifices and that there never will be known who these people were.

00:25:29.56
Tony Sisk
right One of the main characters talks about, you know I'm doing all this. i I've sacrificed my life for this to fight the empire. And I will die. What's he saying? I will die for sunset that somebody else will enjoy. For sunrise that somebody else will enjoy.

00:25:50.18
Tony Sisk
like I'm never going to see the fruits of my labor. but And I'll die never seeing that. but And that's a theme throughout the entire show. Most these characters don't survive.

00:26:03.07
Tony Sisk
Most of them die. um And they... the a give up a whole lot. And you see that in the show because, you know, they show it. I mean, it's, it's, it's very brutal show. It's a brutal show.

00:26:19.07
Tony Sisk
Like they're not holding back. that's I told you last week, it's not, it's a show for adults. It's not the, the, there's no kid.

00:26:24.41
Sentfrmheaven
Thank you.

00:26:27.43
Tony Sisk
There's the, what could, can be considered for kids is very limited, right? You have a B. You always have a cute droid, right? Like a cute kid's droid.

00:26:39.22
Tony Sisk
Well, you that's in the show, but you know, outside of him, you know, making some cute noises or something like that, he's not doing stuff like, Oh, saving the episode by doing something great or something like that. Like you should constantly see with c through uppo and,

00:26:55.33
Tony Sisk
R2-D2 right they're always Doing great stuff in the background To help propel the show forward You don't see that in the show I mean outside of the droid at the end Who's a combat droid You know that's a little different And he has some great scenes But um it's a very grounded, serious show with adult themes. You've got, you know, and a controversy, some of the scenes are controversial. You know, there's, there's a scene where, uh, Imperial officer tries to take advantage, advantage, you know, uh, one of the women in the show.

00:27:32.01
Tony Sisk
Like when you see that in a, in a Star Wars show, but if you think about it, I'm like, yeah, it's,

00:27:39.61
Tony Sisk
Somewhere, some that's happening more than likely somewhere so you know in any universe. And they show it. and it's i mean they He's not successful, but it's a brutal scene.

00:27:53.68
Tony Sisk
Very violent. So it's probably not a show that you can actually sit with Felix and watch some of these episodes. Yeah. But if you're looking for a good, great adult storytelling, and what's great about most of the storytelling is that you believe the characters and their are motivations and stuff.

00:28:18.00
Tony Sisk
um Because they they give so much great background ah for how these characters react to each other and deal with certain situations.

00:28:26.81
Sentfrmheaven
yeah

00:28:30.62
Tony Sisk
What do think, Vance?

00:28:35.18
Sentfrmheaven
um I definitely agree because you have like, like said, like Bailey's show like the backstory and nobody is like Lee is like following each other blind.

00:28:47.06
Sentfrmheaven
I should say, you know, it's like they all have their reasons of why they're part of the rebellion. And, um, man, because Luthien, you know, like, he had the vision because it was people that he had in place for years, you know, and and and like, just, you know, like, the his brilliance, it was like, his brilliance and madness at the same time was like, you know, what would but cause everybody to believe, and I mean, it's definitely a great show about sacrifices to, you know, get to where you need to get to, and like you said, it's not going to be

00:29:23.78
Sentfrmheaven
pretty for the people in the fight, but you're understanding in the end is for everybody else. for the future. It's not for the right now. know And, um, like, uh, and or, like, he, I mean, and or, Cassian.

00:29:37.93
Sentfrmheaven
It's like, he's, you know, he, he's brilliant and, and like, every step is like, I say, yo, I could be him. You know, it's like, cause he's, he's methodical.

00:29:48.50
Sentfrmheaven
He plans it out. And if it doesn't go to plan, he always has a backup plan to the backup plan. And, um, I mean, it's a great show, man. It's a great show. Uh, I especially like, um, now one, now one character i didn't understand Saw.

00:30:06.49
Sentfrmheaven
Uh, of course, Whitaker's character. And when they were, yeah, yeah, I didn't, I didn't because, uh, yeah.

00:30:10.40
Tony Sisk
Saw Gerrera.

00:30:15.68
Sentfrmheaven
Now, was that his brother, um, Cassie, you know, who he kept, I guess, like, going back to? Um, I think that was one looking for, Dina.

00:30:29.12
Tony Sisk
o

00:30:32.83
Tony Sisk
I'm not quite picturing who you're talking about.

00:30:37.17
Sentfrmheaven
He's the one he met at the yeah

00:30:42.56
Sentfrmheaven
the massacre.

00:30:45.51
Tony Sisk
The young guy?

00:30:46.74
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah. Because I think we first seen him in the field.

00:30:49.28
Tony Sisk
The one that...

00:30:53.06
Sentfrmheaven
oh

00:30:55.03
Tony Sisk
In the in the the wheat plant at the beginning?

00:30:55.59
Sentfrmheaven
and be yeah yeah

00:30:58.49
Tony Sisk
Yeah, the young guy.

00:31:00.00
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah.

00:30:59.96
Tony Sisk
Now, that is... that is That was just one of his compatriots from his home planet. His ferricks, to his home planet. his dad His dad was executed because, ah tortured and executed

00:31:18.80
Tony Sisk
this when the Empire was trying to figure out where Cassian was. And they they strung his dad up. And he made the bomb.

00:31:30.30
Tony Sisk
He made the bomb at the in when they did the parade.

00:31:35.79
Sentfrmheaven
Right from a season one.

00:31:36.53
Tony Sisk
You're talking the young young black curly haired guy? The one that stayed on gro Gorman for the girl?

00:31:40.54
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah.

00:31:43.69
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah. yeah

00:31:44.67
Tony Sisk
yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not a relation. i'm like He has no relatives. Cassian doesn't have any relatives. like Even his mom was not blood to him. He considered her his mom because she raised him, but ah his only blood was his sister.

00:32:03.91
Tony Sisk
And that's how the show starts. that Season one starts him looking for his sister. And that's that's where he has he does some stuff while he's looking for her that leads to this whole thing starts.

00:32:19.40
Tony Sisk
Right? And let me ask you this. um Silas, the the you saw what happened to him in episode eight, right?

00:32:29.85
Sentfrmheaven
Yes.

00:32:30.91
Tony Sisk
Right. What did you think about his character?

00:32:36.58
Sentfrmheaven
oh My first thought was, man, he could fight this whole time.

00:32:43.35
Tony Sisk
Right?

00:32:44.04
Sentfrmheaven
because

00:32:44.23
Tony Sisk
Usually he's just standing there with a shocked look on his face.

00:32:45.27
Sentfrmheaven
and Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, he's like this, this is weakling, you know, he's always getting bossed around, you know? So I'm like, man, he could fight this whole time. Like he should have been in a different role, but, um,

00:33:01.40
Sentfrmheaven
oh I like this character because it definitely served the purpose, ah you know, for what needed to to to happen as far as like, you know almost like playing two sides and spies and stuff like that.

00:33:14.76
Tony Sisk
Right. So the hell pond me out here. There's a character whose character is so messed up.

00:33:27.45
Tony Sisk
Like he gets beat down by his mom, right? there's There's episodes where his mom is just criticizing him for being a failure constantly.

00:33:39.77
Tony Sisk
And he he works for the Empire. Right. and But he starts his career as a basically a corporate police officer. And his deal is he's he has a he has a high sense of justice, right?

00:33:57.13
Tony Sisk
Everything is black and white for him, right? It's either right or wrong. um And at the beginning of the whole series, he's told...

00:34:11.20
Tony Sisk
There's a crime that happens. And he's told by his superior, don't worry about it. That sort of stuff happens. We know't don't worry about it. um And he can't let it go.

00:34:24.83
Tony Sisk
Because he wants to see justice done. Right? ah Now the crime was committed by Cassian. So this, he is, he drives the whole story trying to bring justice to Cassian.

00:34:41.03
Tony Sisk
ah But The series goes on he has some failures um And stuff And he's just he's just well Whipped ah whos dude Right But the point of his character at Vance I think is That the Empire Is comprised of people that aren't necessarily Bad people Right Like he's He's

00:34:56.18
Sentfrmheaven
Right.

00:35:09.02
Tony Sisk
he's He loves the empire. He loves the empire for what it stands for, which is order, right? he Law and order. He believes in that.

00:35:20.61
Tony Sisk
And ah

00:35:24.89
Tony Sisk
so what happens you know later on in season two, when that kind of crumbs crashing down in his belief system, but what's significant about Silas is that

00:35:39.26
Tony Sisk
what I was saying earlier about how all the things that led up to Luke Skywalker doing what he does with the, with the Death Star never happens.

00:35:51.90
Tony Sisk
None of that happens unless you have Silas's story. It all starts with his inability to let injustice go.

00:36:07.37
Tony Sisk
Yeah, that that that's that's his whole existence.

00:36:07.66
Sentfrmheaven
That's me.

00:36:09.85
Tony Sisk
That's the whole reason that he's in this show is to show that this person that nobody's ever going to know about, that nobody ever knows, nobody knows his name you know in this universe.

00:36:15.44
Sentfrmheaven
ah

00:36:21.05
Tony Sisk
nope and nobody It all starts with his inability. If he had just listened to his superior and let it go, then Cassian never ends up doing any of the stuff that he does.

00:36:34.35
Tony Sisk
It It all started because of this dude couldn't let go of this one situation. And he's a decent dude, actually.

00:36:43.53
Sentfrmheaven
but right

00:36:44.26
Tony Sisk
Yeah. It's it's funny.

00:36:46.74
Sentfrmheaven
And then it's crazy too, Jaime, because the thing that starts at form also ends at form.

00:36:55.49
Sentfrmheaven
I just thought about that when you were you know saying because Cassian is who he's after and inadvertently. I was like, that's crazy.

00:37:07.23
Sentfrmheaven
full circle, you know, like you said. And what's crazy behind is, like, his experience is, you know, he's off on weekends. He's like, hey, man, let it go. Like, look, um I'm going to be taking my days off. I don't want to hear about it.

00:37:18.69
Sentfrmheaven
don't want to go text messages, emails. Let it go.

00:37:24.17
Tony Sisk
Yeah, that's Silas' boss. Just let go, dude.

00:37:28.56
Tony Sisk
And he did not. He went and did his own thing, and then it just started just cat this snowball of...

00:37:37.94
Tony Sisk
So, there you go, Jaime.

00:37:43.62
Jaime G 
i got to come up with I got to come up with more difficult questions this next time, man.

00:37:43.84
Tony Sisk
Andor is a series worth watching.

00:37:50.06
Tony Sisk
Ha!

00:37:51.32
Jaime G 
it It took ah it took two of you to tag team me and take me down.

00:38:00.94
Tony Sisk
Well, you know, we're bringing the full force of the the the Empire against you.

00:38:08.44
Jaime G 
All right. All right.

00:38:11.42
Sentfrmheaven
Right.

00:38:11.62
Tony Sisk
And that's the thing. That's the great thing about this show, too, is it gets back. If you watch, I mean, watching like Empire Strikes Back or even New Hope, it shows, you know,

00:38:27.03
Tony Sisk
the empire as this like efficiently cruel entity, right? It's like, you know, it's just like a machine that's just destroying people and killing people without no regard, without regard for them as, you know, as human beings, whatever the show gets back to that.

00:38:46.47
Tony Sisk
The show shows that incredibly well. It shows how brutal. i mean, there's they have guys. There are acts that are committed in this show against you know civilians and stuff where the Empire is just murdering people.

00:39:01.50
Tony Sisk
And they show the officers smiling.

00:39:04.75
Sentfrmheaven
right? Right? Right?

00:39:05.97
Tony Sisk
Right? They're loving

00:39:06.67
Sentfrmheaven
like

00:39:07.02
Tony Sisk
they're loving it you know they they love They love the brutality You know, the stormtroopers are not the stormtroopers that you see in most Star Wars shows.

00:39:17.91
Tony Sisk
These guys can all shoot. They have no hesitation. they are They are, they're, they're efficient killers. Like the hierarchy in, in, is Imperial army.

00:39:29.91
Tony Sisk
Then stormtroopers are like a special cadre of soldiers that, you know, they're shock troops. Well, the stormtroopers are actually that, like these guys are scary. Like,

00:39:42.58
Tony Sisk
There's scenes where they're told, you know, get ready to shoot and you you can feel, like, the tension. Yeah, go ahead.

00:39:49.37
Jaime G 
Yeah, because in most of the movies, they're pretty bad shot, man. They're kind of laughable at times.

00:40:00.04
Tony Sisk
Yeah. No, the guys in in this series are... They're they're scary. Like, they're so... they're so

00:40:12.72
Tony Sisk
nonchalant about their brutality. You know, it's like you see all those World War II movies where you see like you have yeah the regular German soldiers and then you have the SS soldiers.

00:40:24.07
Tony Sisk
Like literally the stormtroopers are their SS soldiers. Just think of it that way. When you see this guy show up, you don't want to be around because there's how very likely they're going to end up killing some people.

00:40:41.10
Tony Sisk
you know they show They show people being lined up on... Show them line up civilians against the wall and shoot them.

00:40:51.07
Tony Sisk
That's how brutal the show is. like You don't see that in Star Wars.

00:40:57.09
Tony Sisk
in In most of their shows. Because you know the most of the shows are made for kids. you know Or maybe they just got bad storytelling. And we didn't realize it like We didn't realize how bad the story the storytelling was until we actually got a show that shows you what good storytelling is.

00:41:14.90
Tony Sisk
And then you realize, wow, there's a big difference. There's a goal there's like ah universe of difference.

00:41:23.02
Jaime G 
So so we're we're all like used to watching bad shows is is where we're at right now.

00:41:26.17
Tony Sisk
Yes.

00:41:27.65
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah.

00:41:27.47
Tony Sisk
That's where we're at. we're We're so used to watching bad stuff that...

00:41:32.56
Jaime G 
just We just need one good show, man.

00:41:34.97
Tony Sisk
Yeah, and that's why we always consistently like hoping for the next good show and never get it. But, you know.

00:41:41.47
Sentfrmheaven
Right. Yep. And I figured out good acting doesn't overwrite, you know, like bad writing. Like, bad writing is bad writing, you know?

00:41:54.61
Tony Sisk
Oh, there's a scene. I want to talk about the scene this scene. This is why there's such great writing in this show. So there's a scene where the the leader of what's called the ISB, it's the Internal Security Bureau, think of it as the CIA or the FBI you know for the Empire.

00:42:17.89
Tony Sisk
So there's ah there's a the guy in charge. He's talking to two of his lieutenants. You know, and these, they're called supervisors, ISP supervisors, and they're in charge of special projects.

00:42:30.51
Tony Sisk
And there is a interrogator that exists.

00:42:32.47
Sentfrmheaven
an interior that exists.

00:42:35.15
Tony Sisk
Getting

00:42:36.42
Sentfrmheaven
Did that come again?

00:42:38.66
Tony Sisk
echo again.

00:42:44.38
Tony Sisk
right, so there's a interrogator that exists that the ISP uses.

00:42:52.44
Tony Sisk
that's very successful. Like he uses a method that gets the information because it's so horrific how it works.

00:43:02.92
Tony Sisk
So the regular Imperial army wants to use this interrogation method. So they tell the, ah the emperor tells the ISB that they have to, share the method with the rest of the empire.

00:43:17.95
Tony Sisk
So Patagast, I think it's Patagast. He's the leader of the ISB. He's telling these two lieutenants, it's like, all right, so we have to give up our, our doctor of interrogation to the army, whether it's in the Navy, so they can use them. So it's, it's turned into a whole big project.

00:43:40.31
Tony Sisk
So I need you two guys to be the liaison whatever. And he tells one guy, ah you'll be in charge of, you know, the information flow between the two organizations.

00:43:51.86
Tony Sisk
And the one supervisor, he's the brand new supervisor. He's like, yes, sir. It's an honor. it And the the senior guy is like, really?

00:44:04.54
Tony Sisk
It's an administrative position. it What did he say? You need to calibrate your enthusiasm.

00:44:13.78
Tony Sisk
It's such a great line with how he delivered it. It's like.

00:44:18.96
Tony Sisk
Calibrate your enthusiasm. That's just a crap job I just gave you. Don't suck up to me.

00:44:25.96
Sentfrmheaven
Right.

00:44:26.72
Tony Sisk
Remember that?

00:44:27.01
Sentfrmheaven
Calibrate.

00:44:29.70
Tony Sisk
But there's some great lines in the show. Like. Vans, if I tell you if i have friends I have friends everywhere, it has a totally new meaning to you, right?

00:44:42.64
Tony Sisk
oh no sound.

00:44:46.12
Sentfrmheaven
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. i have friends everywhere. Yeah. Totally knew me. Totally knew me.

00:44:51.52
Tony Sisk
I want to go around work and just tell everybody have friends everywhere. I'm not going to tell you what it is, Jaime, because you're going to have to watch the show.

00:44:59.16
Sentfrmheaven
As it's

00:45:02.63
Sentfrmheaven
only the real ones.

00:45:03.05
Jaime G 
ha you just made You just made it super hard for me then

00:45:03.43
Sentfrmheaven
to

00:45:09.87
Tony Sisk
So many great lines.

00:45:13.42
Tony Sisk
Anyway. So yeah. Andor. Season 2 was fantastic. Better than Season 1. And I said Season 1 was great. um As a whole.

00:45:26.64
Tony Sisk
It also makes you look at Rogue One totally different. Like.

00:45:33.26
Tony Sisk
like you know what's going to happen to Cassian in Rogue One. So the actions that he's doing throughout the series, in certain especially in particular episodes, certain things play out.

00:45:45.10
Tony Sisk
And it's like, wow. Crazy. hey you know He has relationships and stuff we so with particular character And that particular character in the show and that the impact of knowing what happens to them in world one and what they end up happening, what ends up happening within their relationship in the show, you know, that's impactful.

00:46:10.50
Tony Sisk
So it's all worth so many, many storylines and many, you know, things that are happening. Like, uh, there's a, there's three story arc where,

00:46:27.29
Tony Sisk
You have a spy master in this show. His name is Lufin. And he works with us another person whose character is Kayla. Now, Vance, that girl Kayla, his assistant, you realize did you know that that this is this show is her very first acting job?

00:46:51.94
Sentfrmheaven
I did not know that. She could have fooled me. She could have fooled me.

00:46:55.10
Tony Sisk
Right. She did, apparently she did such a good job. Like her, her original role was, did not encompass a whole lot of dialogue for her.

00:47:08.76
Tony Sisk
ah But she did such a good job that she impressed Tony Gilroy and his team so much that they kept adding more lines for her. And she gets basically an entire episode for herself.

00:47:23.53
Tony Sisk
And she's fantastic in that episode. And what she has to do. Like, if there was a character I want ah to see more of, you know, separate from this series, it would be her character.

00:47:36.80
Tony Sisk
Because she is phenomenal in in her role as basically really the person that's pushing the buttons

00:47:45.21
Sentfrmheaven
his daughter. Yeah.

00:47:47.90
Sentfrmheaven
yeah

00:47:50.05
Tony Sisk
to get things going. You know how... You have an organization, you have, you know, the CEO or whatever, they have the grand ideas, right? They, it's like, Oh, we want to go in this particular direction with the company.

00:48:01.64
Tony Sisk
And this is kind of what we want to do. We want to drive profits by doing something of some nature whatever. Well, you have, they, the CEO himself is not going to do those things, right? He's just presenting the idea.

00:48:15.26
Tony Sisk
he has people below him that will actually drive those ideas into existence. That's her. ah within the spy spy ring she's the one that's pushing the buttons and and and coming up with the plans and actually seeing them uh implemented so she's but you know she's a great character i i hope that uh they have some vision for her you know and something else but it was very impressive being her very first acting gig

00:48:48.72
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, well, let's hope ah she can stay off ah social media and don't say nothing to offend anybody, you know.

00:48:54.40
Tony Sisk
ah right?

00:48:54.65
Sentfrmheaven
Like, ah but ah yeah, and Mandalorian, you know.

00:48:57.46
Tony Sisk
Acolyte.

00:49:01.99
Tony Sisk
Right.

00:49:05.00
Tony Sisk
All right. So let's a wrap up that, uh, and or, uh, segment now, something that you can, that, uh, Jaime came up with. He sent us, uh, an image of,

00:49:20.41
Tony Sisk
About, what was the image? It was about the CEO of a particular game company, right? mean, I mean,

00:49:27.40
Jaime G 
Oh, yeah. so um there's there's this big debate going on. This is because Randy Pitchford is the CEO of a moderately known company that puts out a game every couple of years called Borderlands.

00:49:46.15
Jaime G 
And somebody addressed, sent them a tweet on X and said, Hey, I mean, the tweet basically was along the lines of, Hey, I hope this borderline is forward. Doesn't cost 80 bucks.

00:50:00.74
Jaime G 
Right.

00:50:03.34
Jaime G 
He responded man with, in and he said two things and he literally said, a not my call. interesting. But then B, he basically put put up a little bit of a lengthy response saying, when I was a kid, I bought a $80 video game for my Sega Genesis.

00:50:27.76
Jaime G 
If you're a real fan, you're going to buy it. Right? And I don't know. That's kind of been causing a lot more damage than good because there's actually been generally positive hype ah around borderlines 4 coming out but you know it opens up a um couple a couple questions you know are you even a real fan if you don't pay 80 bucks should we be paying 80 bucks for for this game where i mean is this the right way to get new gamers into the series franchise i mean the people who are for

00:51:05.55
Jaime G 
I guess paying attention to this post is are probably the fans, right? So don't know. I mean, I just sent this out to you guys and and and said, what's your thoughts on this?

00:51:22.85
Tony Sisk
I will say that I could be a fan, a super fan of a franchise and not one to have to pay 80 bucks for the game.

00:51:23.61
Sentfrmheaven
anything.

00:51:32.92
Jaime G 
I agree.

00:51:34.65
Tony Sisk
Right? And there were franchises that that is true today, this moment. I am a super fan of Doom.

00:51:46.85
Tony Sisk
And there was a brand new Doom that just released, right? ah Dark Ages. It's $69.

00:51:56.66
Tony Sisk
I love that. I love the Doom franchise. I don't want to spend $69 on it though.

00:52:04.33
Tony Sisk
Because the thing about video games, wait a few months and the price will go down. You know, it, it will probably be $59 in three months.

00:52:15.99
Tony Sisk
and three months It could be like freaking Dragon Age that I paid $69 for. I don't know why i paid $69 for a game because I'm a fan fan of Dragon Age and five months later, it's free on PS Plus.

00:52:24.98
Jaime G 
Oh, I know where you're going with this.

00:52:34.02
Jaime G 
Yeah.

00:52:36.21
Tony Sisk
Why? Why did I get burned? I'm a fan of your franchise and you turn around and put it on PS Plus five months later.

00:52:46.34
Jaime G 
Yeah.

00:52:49.30
Tony Sisk
to me, i will never buy ah Dragon Age game again because you're just you you betrayed me, right?

00:52:53.33
Jaime G 
Yeah.

00:52:59.96
Tony Sisk
You devalued your game so much, so quickly that you know, if you don't value your game then why why did I waste my money?

00:53:12.91
Tony Sisk
You know, i basically wasted my money. I could used that $69 something else. you know, that would have been better probably because the game was not great.

00:53:20.93
Jaime G 
All right. Let me flip it over to Vance. Vance, what's your initial reaction to a comment like this from from a CEO that's going to launch their brand new entry of one of their biggest franchises, if not the biggest for them?

00:53:38.77
Sentfrmheaven
um When I first read it, I felt like he's, I guess the new age term is gaslighting because, you know, that's almost like you being in, and you know, like ah relationship with somebody. They say, well, you know, if you love me, you'll buy me this, you know, car or something like that. And it's like, no, that's not how that works.

00:53:57.07
Sentfrmheaven
It's like, Just make sure your product is good. You know, that's what the guy is saying. And, you know, it's like, okay, so are you going to put out a full game at $80? Or are you going to put out, like you said, 65% game, but and now i got either get like some type of battle pass or ah got to, you know, like buy all these different little trinkets and stuff like that just to get complete game.

00:54:21.46
Sentfrmheaven
So, yeah, like definitely I don't feel like there's any game that's worth $80 because, like Tony said, it's either going to go on discount because other games are going to start coming out and they're going to lower the price to try to get, you know, people to stay connected, you know, to their game. but it's like, yeah, I definitely think he was definitely a gaslighting that guy or fans himself.

00:54:45.05
Jaime G 
well Well, I mean, here' here's here you know here's my thoughts on this. You're the CEO of a company. what's what's What's his job, right?

00:54:57.15
Jaime G 
His job is to create value for his shareholders shareholders so that he can keep the company running. And I agree with the statement you just said, Vance. Me reading this, I'm like, hold up, man.

00:55:11.33
Jaime G 
I'm going to pay money for a game because it's a good game, not because it's the next entry in the series or something. Kind of like to Tony's point. You know, he's a fan of Doom. There's a new Doom out.

00:55:23.54
Jaime G 
He's not necessarily going to buy it right away, maybe ever. That doesn't mean I'm not a fan. But here's here's the other example that I'd like to kind of...

00:55:35.14
Jaime G 
flip the the story on, you know, Claire Obscura Expedition 33 came out about about a month ago. Much, much smaller studio. OK, this game is just topping the charts reviews wherever.

00:55:53.30
Jaime G 
And this is $50 game, right? i and And I told you guys, I have had a such a hard time. to to To find this game, it's literally physically impossible.

00:56:08.99
Jaime G 
you know A little bit of a pun there because you can't get this game physically anywhere. Every major outlet that you go and look for, it'll say it's it's sold out on online, ah physical copies of this.

00:56:20.65
Jaime G 
and they And this is from from a company that they said, let's put out a good game out there. They probably could have gotten away with a little bit of a higher price on this because the game's worth it. I've started playing it, and it's got some really cool elements.

00:56:34.73
Jaime G 
But you know what? I mean, I honestly think that this ah this post that he did on on X is probably going to do him more harm than good in the long run.

00:56:48.63
Jaime G 
i Again, you're trying to a keep your and your your fan base and B, attract new players. I don't think this really gets you anywhere towards and neither of those goals.

00:57:04.91
Jaime G 
And plus forever for the CEO of a company to say, hey, it's not my call to say how much this this game costs, I kind of don't subscribe to that idea. i mean, he could say,

00:57:19.40
Jaime G 
put it cheap put it $10 cheaper. We just got to make up for it somewhere else, you know, DLC, et cetera. and And the story here is that you used to buy a game ah back in the day for 50 bucks.

00:57:33.77
Jaime G 
And you could argue that it's because you couldn't, you know, do applied patches or anything on a game. You had to get a finished game. I guarantee you that the day that you buy this game,

00:57:45.62
Jaime G 
You're going to put it into your console and it's going to say downloading, i don't know, a 13 gigabyte update of things that they weren't able to like fix before the product shipped out.

00:57:57.48
Jaime G 
That's the difference here.

00:57:57.50
Tony Sisk
Well, you said this was a Borderlands, right?

00:58:01.51
Jaime G 
Borderlands 4. Yeah.

00:58:02.87
Tony Sisk
So when Borderlands 3 came out, and I'm fan of Borderlands, I took three vacation days off of work to play this game for 24 hours straight.

00:58:10.91
Jaime G 
Yeah. Yeah.

00:58:17.96
Tony Sisk
right Leveled up my first character completely in 24 hours. right There was a one gigabyte update as soon As soon as you download the game, there was another gigabyte update that had to happen.

00:58:32.30
Jaime G 
Right. Yeah.

00:58:37.66
Tony Sisk
And by the way, you can get Borderlands 3 for like $6. Now.

00:58:43.30
Tony Sisk
now

00:58:44.59
Jaime G 
yeah So, so again, I personally think that this post is going to hurt it a little bit in the long run. If he doesn't come out and get and gets ahead of it and says, Hey, I'm sorry. you know what? We really think that this is going to be a great product versus if you're a fan, you're going to fork up the money.

00:59:06.55
Tony Sisk
Right, that's probably not the best like statement to make. like You're basically challenging somebody's fandom, right? like If you're a real fan, you'll pay the money.

00:59:16.50
Jaime G 
Yeah.

00:59:19.17
Tony Sisk
I mean, who makes that kind of statement?

00:59:23.02
Jaime G 
the The CEO of a company.

00:59:23.07
Tony Sisk
who's wanting to sell something, right? who he You're wanting to sell something. You don't make that sense you kind that kind of statement. You make the statement, love, of our game. I feel that our game is fantastic. You're going to see things you've never seen before.

00:59:38.49
Tony Sisk
You're going to be blown away. but and course, if you're going to say those things, you better hope that you're pulling off some of them. You know, it's the best game ever, right?

00:59:49.08
Tony Sisk
this You should be building up

00:59:51.77
Jaime G 
Yes.

00:59:51.61
Tony Sisk
the good attributes of your game to, to make it, you know, worth the $70 price tag that, you know, you're putting on it.

00:59:53.92
Jaime G 
Yes.

00:59:59.42
Jaime G 
Yeah. But Tony, you knew who you know who did jump in front of this? And I'm surprised. um I got to give this this man an applause. Handsome Jack.

01:00:12.85
Tony Sisk
No, really?

01:00:13.05
Jaime G 
Handsome Jack came out and put a statement on X.

01:00:13.31
Tony Sisk
Uh-huh.

01:00:17.38
Jaime G 
which Which I'm going to read a brief portion of it, OK? I mean, imagine Handsome Jack's voice right here. He says, oh, boo hoo, $80 for Borderlands 4?

01:00:30.91
Jaime G 
Let me break out the world's tiniest violin crafted from iridium and oiled with the tears of a what of whiny bald hunters. Listen, Cupcake, you're not buying a game. You're investing in a premium galaxy-shattering experience personally engineered to blast your sad little dopamine receptors into orbit.

01:00:49.96
Jaime G 
You think quality loot and kind chaotic mayhem just code itself? You want guns to sprout legs, sink seas, chantees, and explode into loot goblins without paying top dollar?

01:01:01.15
Jaime G 
Grow up.

01:01:04.13
Tony Sisk
I mean, it's probably not the best statement either, either but at least it's funny.

01:01:08.64
Jaime G 
I know, right?

01:01:08.46
Tony Sisk
In direct. yeah

01:01:10.41
Jaime G 
and And he closes up saying, but hey, if $80 is too steep, there's always a solution. Just don't buy it. Okay? More legendary drops for the rest of us and fewer mouth-breathing freeloaders clogging up my loot pools.

01:01:19.80
Tony Sisk
Don't buy it.

01:01:27.17
Jaime G 
Win-win. Stay broke, hero.

01:01:29.63
Tony Sisk
yeah

01:01:32.66
Tony Sisk
We'll see when the game drops.

01:01:35.13
Jaime G 
i mean I mean, I can get behind handsome Jack saying that.

01:01:35.32
Tony Sisk
Right?

01:01:39.23
Tony Sisk
He's staying in character.

01:01:44.20
Tony Sisk
um i mean, yeah it just depends. It depends on what the initial reviews are going to be. You know? um I'm still probably not dropping 80 bucks on it.

01:01:57.75
Tony Sisk
80 bucks is pretty steep nowadays.

01:01:59.23
Jaime G 
I i bought Tiny Tina's I bought Borderlands 3 like fairly early in their runs. I don't regret them, but I will say this.

01:02:13.46
Jaime G 
The quality has been going downhill. and They peaked at Borderlands 2. I'm just... Based on the track record, i'm hurt to I'm hard pressed to say like, yeah, absolutely. The next one's totally going to be worth it.

01:02:29.05
Tony Sisk
Right. right

01:02:33.27
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, I mean, that's what we hope.

01:02:33.64
Jaime G 
So...

01:02:35.18
Sentfrmheaven
I mean, because even with, a right now, what is it? a 2K25 is like, so people are hoping like the technology kind of changes, you know, when like 2K26, you know, comes out.

01:02:47.32
Sentfrmheaven
But it's like, and I'm like, but like, depending on what happens with this one, it might be the end of my 2K run because it's like, you know, to that CEO, it's like, by you saying that now, I almost feel like you're not even really putting pressure on your developed developers to make a good game because you're just like, well, if you're a fan, like, you know, hey, I got this cult following, like, they're going to buy whatever we put out. Like, if you like, you know, because mind you, there's really like no game play.

01:03:15.84
Sentfrmheaven
There's no nothing about it. It's just like, well, if you're fan, you know, you're going to buy it.

01:03:21.99
Jaime G 
Dude, the developers are probably the ones sweating bullets right now. You know why?

01:03:26.82
Tony Sisk
Hey.

01:03:27.24
Jaime G 
Because if the game tanks, they're there's been a lot of layoffs in the gaming industry. Guess what? Snip, snip, guys.

01:03:33.88
Tony Sisk
Guess who the publisher is? Borderlands 4 Vance.

01:03:40.93
Sentfrmheaven
2K?

01:03:42.15
Tony Sisk
2K Games.

01:03:44.92
Tony Sisk
They're the publisher.

01:03:45.62
Jaime G 
It actually is.

01:03:47.81
Tony Sisk
Ha ha ha ha

01:03:51.40
Sentfrmheaven
We gonna see. We gonna see. like my Like, I haven't even played 2K probably like in a week. You know, like, it's just, hmm.

01:03:59.85
Tony Sisk
what

01:04:03.54
Sentfrmheaven
But I turned on Marvel Rivals for a hot second yesterday.

01:04:07.34
Jaime G 
What?

01:04:09.03
Sentfrmheaven
smacked.

01:04:08.89
Tony Sisk
that

01:04:11.44
Sentfrmheaven
i feel like Thor wasn't hit like he used to hit. You know, I'm just like, hmm.

01:04:14.33
Jaime G 
No, man. It's changed a lot. there They actually just did like a patches over the last weekend. We're like at the midpoint of season two. They're about to release a brand new character, and I'd like you to have started playing again.

01:04:30.32
Jaime G 
If a lot of the character team ups have been removed completely, there's other new character team ups. And to your point, yes, some characters hit harder. Some don't hit as hard as they used to.

01:04:44.98
Tony Sisk
So after Andor's success, I downloaded Battlefront.

01:04:56.47
Jaime G 
One or two.

01:04:57.58
Tony Sisk
One. I also downloaded two.

01:04:59.38
Jaime G 
What?

01:04:59.85
Tony Sisk
All right.

01:05:00.73
Jaime G 
Okay.

01:05:03.10
Tony Sisk
So let me just say that one, there is nobody playing that game.

01:05:11.16
Jaime G 
Why am I not surprised? i mean, there's a sequel.

01:05:12.73
Tony Sisk
right There's nobody playing Battlefield 1.

01:05:14.76
Jaime G 
Yeah.

01:05:15.37
Tony Sisk
Don't even bother. Battlefield 2, there are people playing it. Problem is, they're all pretty good and I was destroyed. so It was not as entertaining as I was hoping because i was just getting wrecked.

01:05:31.56
Sentfrmheaven
Right. I'm going to turn on this game. It's going to be fun. No, it isn't. No, it isn't.

01:05:37.67
Jaime G 
Not when you're getting wrecked like that, man. It's not fun.

01:05:42.86
Tony Sisk
yeah so I'm like ah okay maybe not such a great idea I'll wait for the next Star Wars game then I thought about downloading Star Wars Survivor a single player game

01:05:59.47
Tony Sisk
there's actually good storytelling in in the in the Star Wars video game huh

01:05:59.83
Jaime G 
Probably should do Star Wars Outlaws.

01:06:05.49
Jaime G 
Probably should look into Star Wars Outlaws. I thought was it's been like the most recent game that's been published.

01:06:11.51
Tony Sisk
Oh, have that game.

01:06:13.75
Jaime G 
See? And it doesn't have Jedi's either. Apparently you like that.

01:06:17.25
Tony Sisk
ah It also doesn't have good storytelling. It stinks.

01:06:21.34
Sentfrmheaven
Okay.

01:06:24.37
Tony Sisk
The kit main character is so unlikable. It's basically Han Solo, except it's the female Han Solo, and her character is not good.

01:06:39.02
Tony Sisk
So... It's not, I mean, it's the Ubisoft game. I mean, it's a lot of like going and completing, like finding stuff and bringing it back.

01:06:49.52
Tony Sisk
And then a lot of quests, a lot of quest driven stuff in an open world, which is.

01:06:53.55
Jaime G 
I read somewhere that even it even has like ah like a hiding mechanic, like staying out of sight of... ah

01:07:01.01
Tony Sisk
Yeah, it's it's stealth. It's a stealthing game.

01:07:03.98
Jaime G 
Yeah, right?

01:07:04.34
Tony Sisk
It's really about, it's it's like Assassin's Creed in space. Except there's a mechanism and

01:07:14.31
Tony Sisk
where you unlock, how you unlock ah chests and doors and stuff. You have like this little tool that you put in the in the lock and it does its thing, you know, where it tries to line stuff up.

01:07:25.77
Tony Sisk
But it uses rhythm.

01:07:29.58
Tony Sisk
rhythm where you you're you're pushing like x in rhythm with the the movement of the the locks and you have to get get the rhythm right well i have no rhythm so it's impossible for me

01:07:46.44
Jaime G 
Tony, Tony, you know how you could open up these chests really easily?

01:07:51.12
Tony Sisk
just blast them

01:07:53.62
Jaime G 
Get a lightsaber. Open.

01:07:55.33
Tony Sisk
ah Right.

01:07:56.78
Jaime G 
Yeah.

01:07:56.69
Tony Sisk
now Now, this distil thing is it's not that great. the The locking mechanism thing is annoying. It's...

01:08:08.68
Tony Sisk
The only satisfying about thing about the game is kind of like going and doing some the quests, but they're not like really deep quests or anything like that. So it's that Ubisoft quest completion thing that they got going on. Like a lot of their games have like, oh, you know, you're trying to complete all these little rinky dinky quests to to unlock the next attachment for your weapon or something.

01:08:34.46
Tony Sisk
I have that game. If you want to borrow well, let you borrow it.

01:08:37.60
Jaime G 
I don't know, man. yeah you You just totally convinced me that I should play this game.

01:08:44.56
Jaime G 
Because I'm a fan. I'm much real fan for this.

01:08:46.44
Tony Sisk
yeah right no ah don't waste your time

01:08:50.23
Jaime G 
Yeah.

01:08:55.32
Jaime G 
Yeah.

01:08:55.46
Tony Sisk
it's no yeah it's it's i mean it's barely and i mean it's barely playable really

01:09:04.67
Jaime G 
yeah Hey, hey, in other news, little side story here, if I may. um i don't know if you all remember that I had one PS5 controller about a year ago, about a year ago, that started having stick drift and I fixed it.

01:09:23.60
Jaime G 
Then it started having stick drift issues again. And then I tried to fix it a second time. The second time I couldn't fix it. So around November last year, I bought this.

01:09:34.44
Jaime G 
You guys, if you're listening to this, you're not seeing me put a do ah PlayStation 5 dual-sets controller here on camera. Anyway, this thing started having stick drift issues when I was playing Marble Vivals this weekend.

01:09:48.78
Tony Sisk
Really?

01:09:49.39
Jaime G 
but But I didn't get an extended warranty, but I bought this in November, so it's still under the one-year warranty. So I'm only mentioning this because you can go into, like,

01:10:02.16
Jaime G 
What is this, like, playstation.com slash repair? You put in the serial number, put in the model number.

01:10:05.23
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

01:10:08.01
Jaime G 
And then they said, oh, here's an RMA number. Print this, which I have. And I'm putting this back here. So I got to take it to FedEx, drop it off. ah haven't paid it I haven't paid anything out of pocket yet.

01:10:22.96
Jaime G 
um Let's see. I want to share with you guys a story. If you guys are having stick drift issues with your controllers, Hopefully, it's happening within within the one-year warranty. If not, definitely definitely get the extended warranty. Or like Vance is showcasing right now, get the controller that you can change the the analog sticks on. Because it keeps happening.

01:10:47.50
Jaime G 
It's painful. And as I said before, I fixed it on a previous controller. But this one, I was like, don't open it. it's still It's under the one-year warranty. Let's see if Sony comes through.

01:10:58.65
Jaime G 
I'll let you know in a couple of weeks.

01:11:02.97
Tony Sisk
I haven't had any drifting issues with mine.

01:11:07.33
Jaime G 
I've had two controllers now. This is the second one that has issues.

01:11:10.66
Sentfrmheaven
He's not gaming hard enough.

01:11:12.29
Tony Sisk
Apparently not. Being a little rough on the sticks.

01:11:13.89
Sentfrmheaven
That's it.

01:11:16.21
Jaime G 
Hey.

01:11:17.07
Sentfrmheaven
Tony's not gaming hard enough. That's why he doesn't have stick jerks.

01:11:19.07
Jaime G 
that's Man, when you're gone all in, man, something's got to go.

01:11:19.91
Tony Sisk
I'm barely gaming at all. Hardly.

01:11:23.89
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah. Yeah.

01:11:24.51
Tony Sisk
Yeah.

01:11:25.13
Sentfrmheaven
But it's it's crazy because that's one thing that Xbox has over a PlayStation. Like, their controllers are built to last. Like, I've traveled with my Xbox controller to and from work you know back in the day.

01:11:38.45
Sentfrmheaven
Dropped it a couple times. No problem. No stick drift. But, man, PlayStation is like every three months, I feel like, you know, controllers start wearing down.

01:11:50.14
Jaime G 
I was about, I was honestly on Saturday, I started playing My Bro Rivals and earlier that day, my son had started playing and I was like, yo, did he break this?

01:12:01.85
Jaime G 
And then I was like, no, no, it wasn't him.

01:12:01.66
Tony Sisk
ah

01:12:03.93
Jaime G 
This, this thing's too sensitive that I was about to get on him.

01:12:06.27
Tony Sisk
yeah cool alright well that's all i got for this week Vance it was good having you back

01:12:18.00
Sentfrmheaven
good to be bad good to be bad

01:12:18.98
Tony Sisk
yeah yeah Jaime you gotta get off the couch and well you have to get onto the couch and watch you some Andor Borrow somebody's Disney Plus sign in or something.

01:12:31.25
Jaime G 
Hey. Hey, man.

01:12:34.22
Tony Sisk
Find a way.

01:12:34.66
Jaime G 
I got it.

01:12:35.91
Tony Sisk
Hmm.

01:12:37.05
Jaime G 
I have to finish The Last of Us Season 2, which honestly has been going downhill. It peaks at Episode 2, and then it's just like, what am I watching?

01:12:50.79
Jaime G 
um I need to finish that. And then got to i gotta continue my campaign of Expedition 33. So far, what I've played is good.

01:13:02.52
Jaime G 
I'll have more more insights on this when I've played it some more.

01:13:03.48
Tony Sisk
So did you end up buying a digital copy of that?

01:13:06.42
Jaime G 
I came to bought a digital copy.

01:13:08.87
Tony Sisk
Hmm.

01:13:09.33
Jaime G 
Because if I bought a physical, I don't know when I would have been able to find one.

01:13:09.85
Tony Sisk
Hmm.

01:13:13.13
Jaime G 
but But anybody who is listening to this, if you find a physical copy, Buy it. It's going to be worth some dinero because it is such short print that that you're not going... I mean, it's an investment.

01:13:30.60
Jaime G 
And by the way, the same person who was telling me that Andor was a really great show, Tony, also was playing this game. And he was the one who was telling me, dude, you have to play this game. It is something different.

01:13:43.96
Jaime G 
He said, the only thing that they're missing... is attractive you know attractive characters. So I was like, what?

01:13:54.10
Tony Sisk
All right. I mean, that would get you a whole point deduction. Some sites. Yeah.

01:13:59.33
Jaime G 
Well, IGN rated it a 9 out of 10. So maybe that's the delta, right?

01:14:05.71
Tony Sisk
Yeah. right. Cool. Thanks.

01:14:09.79
Jaime G 
Yeah.

01:14:09.70
Tony Sisk
Thanks again. I'll catch you guys next week.

01:14:14.28
Sentfrmheaven
All right.

01:14:14.67
Jaime G 
Nice see you guys.

01:14:15.18
Sentfrmheaven
Later.

01:14:15.60
Tony Sisk
Yep. Bye.