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Good2Game Radio
Bye Physical!
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Sony wants to kill the physical game disc, and Good2Game Radio has thoughts—and possibly a few unopened games to hoard before the apocalypse. Tony, Jaime, and Vance dive headfirst into the future of digital gaming, asking the question every gamer eventually has to face: **Do we actually own our games, or are we just renting them until somebody pulls the plug?**
The crew revisits Sony's legendary Xbox One takedown from 2013, compares today's digital-first gaming landscape with the glory days of physical media, and explores what happens when licenses disappear and storefronts shut down. They also discover the potential silver lining: **collectors may be sitting on gaming gold.**
From Pokémon cards and GameCube games to Wolverine, Cyberpunk, and limited physical releases, nostalgia is proving that sometimes the best investment is something you can actually hold.
So grab your favorite disc, hug your collection, and get ready for **Good2Game Radio's farewell party for physical media.**
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Jaime G
Wait what? What am I? must and and yeah and I can't do it. Okay, I'll set it over here. Practice.
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Tony Sisk
Don't make him get the whip out.
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Jaime G
stages for I will.
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Jaime G
Bravo, man we
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Jaime G
They're applauding for you.
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Jaime G
yeah here
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Jaime G
All right. If he could only hear that.
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Tony Sisk
that hi folks welcome to good game good hi folks welcome to good the game radio And we were just treated to. A piano concert by Jaime's.
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Tony Sisk
Young son. Dressed as... Zelda? Cosplay?
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Jaime G
Link.
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Tony Sisk
Like Link.
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Jaime G
Yeah.
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Tony Sisk
that Just as Link. So.
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Jaime G
there's there's There's so much going on that people... did not see man i mean my son is in the background playing piano cosplaying as Link from Breath of the Wild.
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Tony Sisk
Right?
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Jaime G
Yeah.
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Tony Sisk
Welcome back. Welcome back. go It's not too. Two months later, it's... Just a few days later. From the last podcast episode where we talked about Spider-Man, and here we are.
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Tony Sisk
Going back and we're gonna kind of cover some topics or cover a topic. That has been. Pretty... Hot.
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Tony Sisk
here over the last couple of months. And that is Jaime. What's that topic?
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Jaime G
Let's get physical.
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Tony Sisk
Right.
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Jaime G
Oh, actually, it's actually the contrary, right? You can't get physical anymore.
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Tony Sisk
ah
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Tony Sisk
Right, so... Sony. kick the hornet's nest by saying That they were going to get rid of their physical Bye. game disc.
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Tony Sisk
with the with the Coming PS6. But. We're looking at what, 2028? when the other Disc.
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Tony Sisk
factories or fabrication. Factories. that produce the disc are going to be i Shut down. Basically, they've already started the process.
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Jaime G
No mass
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Tony Sisk
Yep, so... Lance, what do you think? Mm-hmm. I know you're very opinionated on this.
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Sentfrmheaven
a
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Tony Sisk
Let's hear what you got to say.
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Sentfrmheaven
ah Yeah, I mean, um I don't like it Because, uh... His school is... um it' its you know like I like to have it in my hand. like Some games that they don't hold any You know like you need like a nostalgia value like any of the sports games. Like, like like no, whatever. you know digital whatever but as far as like Wolverine? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, Wolverine has. me.
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Sentfrmheaven
physical copy purchase. Like for sure. Like no questions asked.
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Tony Sisk
Right. Wolverine releases on what September 16th or something like that I... Plan on getting a physical Uh... version of that game. If you can, I don't even know if you can or not, but.
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Tony Sisk
ah I plan on it. And... I have been buying physical every opportunity I've gotten. Uh, Hami. Mr. Vance here gifted me a physical copy of the new 007 game.
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Jaime G
No way!
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Tony Sisk
Oh. Yes. Yes. So I've been playing that.
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Jaime G
Have you played any?
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Tony Sisk
Yes, it's actually pretty good.
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Jaime G
Okay.
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Tony Sisk
Pretty good. So if you want to play it while you're in San Antonio now. It's too bad.
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Jaime G
Wah, wah, wah.
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Sentfrmheaven
ah it
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Tony Sisk
ha
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Jaime G
Hey. I can get a digital copy, right?
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Tony Sisk
Right? Oh, you know. The old five fingered Jaime could make an appearance.
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Jaime G
Oh, this again. I have returned every single game. to people after my roommate moved out.
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Tony Sisk
but Yeah. The opportunity to. you know, share a great game to with your friends remember back in a previous generation of ps4 generation When, uh...
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Tony Sisk
Sony. Made fun of Xbox? uh, before the two new consoles release. Talking about how.
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Jaime G
oh oh oh
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Tony Sisk
Yeah.
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Jaime G
So this this is a whole story. i mean does anybody remember who the ceo of um the xbox division was. before Phil Spencer. Does anybody remember his name?
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Sentfrmheaven
Nope.
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Tony Sisk
It starts with a T.
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Jaime G
Done. Don Mattrick.
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Tony Sisk
Magic, yeah.
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Jaime G
Don Mattrick was the guy who was like. In front of like... the work this the stage of the world of the video gaming conventions. And he's in there explaining.
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Jaime G
hey with this new xbox launch you're gonna get espn tv whatever they were talking about so many things except the video game portion right And when they actually. start talking about video games.
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Jaime G
He looted two. a world of digital only. And... The console would have had to have like an internet connection check, maybe like every so many days.
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Jaime G
to ensure that you could still play the digital games that you paid for. I think they were like. doing some type of scheme or like plan where you could even lend games that you own to a friend.
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Jaime G
That. part was never really fleshed out because of that commercial that sony did tony you're talking about I... Think that commercial killed that Xbox generation.
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Jaime G
Because it was like a 15 second commercial that that basically said. Here's how you lend a game. to a friend on a PlayStation 4. And there was a guy.
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Jaime G
Who just grabbed a... disc and gave it to a guy who was standing next to him and they said basically said, Lesson done. And that's an end commercial.
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Tony Sisk
Yeah. Right. Now... That was a... response to xbox's you know all digital entertainment box
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Jaime G
Right?
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Tony Sisk
which was the Xbox One.
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Jaime G
Yeah.
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Tony Sisk
And. Sony was like, oh, yeah, this is how we share games on PlayStation. and Two guys just handing a physical addition to the other yeah guy handing a physical addition to another guy that's standing next to him.
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Jaime G
Yep.
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Tony Sisk
Destroyed Xbox. Literally destroyed Xbox. That's simple. little clip. You can look it up.
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Jaime G
Yeah.
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Tony Sisk
Look it up on YouTube. Um, But... Here we are. That was like what, 2013? Here we are.
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Jaime G
It was 2013.
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Tony Sisk
It's 13.
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Jaime G
Yeah
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Tony Sisk
Yeah, 20. 13 years later. Sony is... you know, still the dominant. in a console space. Xbox never could get up off of that.
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Tony Sisk
knockout blow that Sony delivered to them in that clip.
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Jaime G
i I honestly argue that that killed Xbox whole chance of survival. and they are still you know, trying to get ah out of a situation that this gentleman left him in and you know what happened to him man I mean, you've never heard about him like after, right?
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Tony Sisk
Well, he got replaced by Phil Spencer.
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Jaime G
you know inch Well, I mean, you... you for you We know that.
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Tony Sisk
Like two years later.
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Jaime G
But you know what happened to the guy? He got promoted.
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Tony Sisk
To Microsoft.
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Jaime G
He got. He got promoted to be a the CEO of like a mobile game company called Zynga. End it. And then just faded into obscurity. he he tanked.
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Jaime G
Well, he started That. the process of xbox's demise phil spencer was a great guy he had some good ideas he he made i don't I think Phil Spencer just couldn't correct that ship. that Don Matrick started.
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Jaime G
Sinking.
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Tony Sisk
So what does Sony do? We go and repeat the exact same mistake, you know, literally like
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Jaime G
Literally.
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Tony Sisk
We do yeah Literally.
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Tony Sisk
We are... We are getting rid of physical disc. So... Needless to say. the reaction from the community. the Sony community.
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Tony Sisk
has been p pretty. Volatile. Like there's nothing that's like. All the branches of Sony. that aren't even related to video games.
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Tony Sisk
are getting. you know, hate Um, Because like there was an example like. Sony makes a... Record player.
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Tony Sisk
Right. a vinyl record player. And they had a commercial. online ad. Talking about trying to sell this record player saying you can play these old vinyl records on this.
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Tony Sisk
Uh, Sony record player. relive the nostalgia of the 80s or the decades past by. Uh, play your vinyl disc on.
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Tony Sisk
this brand new sony record player Man, they got so much hate. I mean. They had to take that down because it was nothing but.
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Jaime G
ah I wonder why.
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Tony Sisk
flooded with...
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Jaime G
Yeah.
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Tony Sisk
Uh... Oh, yeah. So you're a you're a hypocrite. You're a hypocrite. You're literally doing selling vinyl record players. At the same time you're talking about.
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Tony Sisk
getting rid of physical uh disc for games. Yeah, so...
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Jaime G
Yeah.
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Tony Sisk
Uh,
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Jaime G
Ooh, no, man.
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Tony Sisk
Yeah.
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Jaime G
Forget about it.
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Tony Sisk
Amen. And they're not going to, like you said, they're not going to backtrack on it because they've already. Pretty much. I think their factories are in like... Poland or Czechoslovakia or something like that.
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Tony Sisk
They've already.
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Jaime G
it's It's a done deal, man.
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Tony Sisk
done the retrofit on those factories.
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Jaime G
There's no... there's
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Tony Sisk
so
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Jaime G
There's no coming back from this.
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Tony Sisk
They just they did it like Stealthy. Like this do all this just just Put everything into place. We're not going to say anything about it. And then we all of a sudden. Then we'll mention it in passing ah
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Sentfrmheaven
no Right.
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Tony Sisk
Yeah. so but Vance and I had a conversation the other day. That. ah you know we look at the silver lining here And...
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Tony Sisk
The silver lining is... For those devoted fans of video games. who still want to.
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Tony Sisk
Show off their collections and stuff. Well, their collections just became that more that much more valuable Right. So.
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Tony Sisk
as as everything else in the world nowadays. People. Uh... are looking for Something that you can actually hold and feel.
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Tony Sisk
Because everything is digital. Right. Movies have gone digital. Music's digital. Everything's digital. Everything. Is kind of is. this Fake.
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Tony Sisk
Um, You can't actually see it. and You don't actually own it. Right. So that's the thing about. The whole digital aspect about this is. That you don't technically own the digital Because. one sony could always take down The, uh...
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Tony Sisk
the storefront. You don't have access to that game anymore. And that, you know. That's I think it's like their license agreements, you know, they could lose the licensing Right?
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Tony Sisk
Like it's you buy. Wolverine. who's part of the Marvel Universe. you know. And we know how protective. you know Disney is of their.
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Tony Sisk
properties and stuff. They could just one day say, you know what? We're pulling the license from Sony and we're going to give it to... somebody else And you.
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Tony Sisk
You're gonna have to pull it down from your storefronts. Well, guess what? If you have a wolverine game purchase A digital Wolverine game purchased through the Sony storefront. You're probably going to lose access to it. Go ahead, Ami.
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Jaime G
Okay, so... A really great, I mean, we're talking Wolverine here because Wolverine is about to launch within a month timeframe. Do you guys remember? Back in around 2013, the same year as you know this Don Metric guy we were just talking about. there was a launch of a there's the one There was one game That was lunch for. Deadpool.
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Jaime G
Do you guys remember this?
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Tony Sisk
No.
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Sentfrmheaven
don't remember that name
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Jaime G
You know why? Because about six to eight months after that game. was launched. Um... The licensing agreement between Activision and Marble expired.
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Jaime G
About six months. So you can... you could not even though the game was like fresh it had like a decent reception back when it launched Because it was a Deadpool game and they really... Duh. dove into the Deadpool humor.
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Jaime G
uh They just couldn't sell games. They just couldn't make any more copies of it. Retailers physically had to take them down per some agreements. And another perfect example of this was... ah There was a game that was launched for the Nintendo Wii.
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Jaime G
It was Capcom versus Tatsunoko. Well. the tatsunoko characters were like for anime characters in japan capcom had a bunch of their license their own ips at some point the anime character said no mas I actually have a copy of that game. and it's a relatively hard to find game because they just couldn't license them.
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Jaime G
So. That's one. One example of what you're talking about. I mean, we're probably not going to see that in the near future with Wolverine. There's like really good agreements between Sony, Marvel.
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Tony Sisk
Right.
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Jaime G
and and all that right now. but It wasn't always like that.
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Tony Sisk
Well, I mean. You can see examples of it. if you If you subscribe to the Sony... Network.
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Tony Sisk
you know what uh ps plus Right? Go through your PS Plus catalog. And look for the games that you know. That you downloaded.
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Tony Sisk
Uh, and see which ones you can no no longer access because there will be games in there Then all of a sudden. Are not there or.
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Tony Sisk
when you go to Start them. They won't start up. Because even though you paid for the subscription. and And they put it up there and you can download it. It's part of your library.
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Tony Sisk
Indefinitely right? Oh no. Not indefinitely. Good. It's till they decide that. They don't want you to have it anymore. What was it? Resident Evil.
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Tony Sisk
Resident Evil. When the new one came out a few months ago, right
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Jaime G
Wreck him.
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Tony Sisk
Yeah, right. I went to go play. some old Resident Evil games that I had downloaded. In the PS Plus. Kellogg. Well, all of a sudden i can't I don't have access to a couple of them.
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Tony Sisk
Isn't that convenient? Right before the new game drops. And you go to the play ah the Sony store? Oh, there's the... There it is for $20. oh you want to play it now here's 20 bucks even though i had already added it to my ps plus catalog I like.
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Tony Sisk
That's the shady stuff that they do.
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Jaime G
don't Tony, I don't know necessarily if it's... If it's... Shady. It's things that we as consumers aren't really aware of. Because if you...
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Jaime G
This is going to spiral into like a... a rabbit hole conversation. When you buy a digital copy of something. you know how there's like a contract you agree to the license in terms of like the product or whatever and All of us around around the table say yes.
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Tony Sisk
Yeah. We all just scroll to the end and hit accept.
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Jaime G
we We just. We just buy. Right. And... Then... They... But they're actually, there is um in the fine print. You're by your. buying a service. They reserve the right. to preserve to revoke digital access.
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Jaime G
at any given time. So... We kind of have all agreed to this. Not knowing? And we've been doing it for years. Um,
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Jaime G
But it's it's honestly something that is, again. Read the fine print. they it is It is a possibility. Legally, it's there. You don't own the product. You own the service.
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Jaime G
or actually you paid.
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Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, but I...
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Tony Sisk
All right. Look at the PS. the PSP, right?
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Jaime G
Mm hmm.
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Tony Sisk
Then they shut that they shut down the the storefront for that, right?
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Jaime G
They did. And then people complain about it. And then they brought it back for a couple of years and now they now it's gone for good.
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Tony Sisk
Yeah. So. People bought full-price games on that. Then they can't don't have access to them They lost it.
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Jaime G
Well... Well, that's why the PSP Go at the time wasn't... really well received so you had the PSP that had like the universal media discs that you could insert When the PSP Go launched, it was a 100 % digital. mobile console.
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Jaime G
at the time people weren't ready for it. because you had to own you couldn't buy like the little cartridge and start it no gone 100 % digital.
00:19:28.83
Tony Sisk
Right.
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Sentfrmheaven
Yeah.
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Tony Sisk
but Go ahead Vance.
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Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, but I... i really feel like That. um You know, at any time we can restrict your. digital access me as a Sumer, I'm thinking more of the love the Um...
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Sentfrmheaven
Like the negative side of it mean like if if you have people that are let's say you know altering the game they're doing things and you know like Not how the game is supposed to be played pretty much cheating if they're cheating and all that Yeah, I feel like that's the...
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Sentfrmheaven
you know we can pull your digital access anytime. but it's like Yeah. If you're selling a product. and you're standing behind your product is It's like. You know, I feel like you're selling me a product that you know is going to be around for a long time so i mean yeah i'm gonna scroll to the end And accept, you know, because.
00:20:23.85
Sentfrmheaven
Because I'm not thinking no.
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Jaime G
We all do.
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Sentfrmheaven
No, you're... You're. Renting me a game at that point
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Tony Sisk
Right. That's how it is. It's renting. You're renting, but you're paying full price up front. Yeah.
00:20:39.42
Sentfrmheaven
Right.
00:20:40.54
Tony Sisk
for the rental for the lifetime rental. But that's not actually a lifetime because it... once they cut it off. It's over with.
00:20:48.43
Sentfrmheaven
Right.
00:20:48.75
Tony Sisk
so You don't actually own the game. So that's And that's why we've always talked about. buying physical because
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Jaime G
For sure.
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Tony Sisk
You will have that. There's no guarantee that physical addition is going to work.
00:21:01.70
Sentfrmheaven
right
00:21:01.72
Tony Sisk
Right? Uh...
00:21:04.17
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah.
00:21:05.10
Tony Sisk
Because all these games now they requires updates and Oh, you know. regular updates and stuff like that. but You know, there's... technical people out there that are pretty smart and they can.
00:21:17.97
Tony Sisk
They can figure out workarounds to get you. your disc to work. But regardless. You know like I was talking about earlier Uh... That stuff is just more valuable now. It's collectible.
00:21:32.30
Tony Sisk
So that sub market, that niche market. of collect. of people that collect. It just makes their collections more valuable. So.
00:21:43.02
Jaime G
I'm a collector.
00:21:44.29
Tony Sisk
Yeah. So, I mean You have the. The problem is you have the casual. gamers, they don't care. Right. They're just...
00:21:54.91
Tony Sisk
They don't care. So. That's where all the money's at because not 80 % of the market is casual gamers. people that are totally dedicated to it as a hobby.
00:22:06.04
Tony Sisk
you know like Hi, me. That has, I don't know. physical. copies of all his favorite games and stuff. He's a collector.
00:22:12.53
Jaime G
Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:22:13.72
Tony Sisk
So. uh, Your stuff, sis. there's going to be other collectors Looking for those. Games and. Going forward. Since there are no physical...
00:22:25.79
Tony Sisk
Copies. that are going to be made in the future. except for like short print runs by a third party or something like that
00:22:33.44
Jaime G
Well, there's there's that limited run games, right? Publisher. So they take games that are... I think very ah hard to find or in some cases digital only and they'll make a limited run of so many copies of i don't know i actually bought one of their games it was a I think it was River City Girls.
00:22:56.88
Jaime G
or river city ransom there's like one where there's like the girls edition i was like oh Let me buy this.
00:23:03.72
Tony Sisk
Yeah, I mean, yeah. so As a collector, It's actually kind of exciting ah We're going to argue to the other side of this. So.
00:23:14.37
Tony Sisk
Collectors. Yes. you know Your collections just went up in value. Hold on to them. Because in a few years, when they stop making physical games. And people look back.
00:23:25.46
Tony Sisk
And I was telling Vance this earlier. you know Right now, we are at the beginning. of the Retirement. wave of Gen Xers, right?
00:23:36.66
Tony Sisk
People that grew up with video games
00:23:36.74
Jaime G
Yes.
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Tony Sisk
like the founding
00:23:39.42
Jaime G
Yes.
00:23:40.91
Tony Sisk
the founding generation of video games. pretty much Gen X. is starting their retirement. And. those people are going to be nostalgic for the 80s and the 90s.
00:23:55.63
Tony Sisk
those period when games or Worth. a big thing and and showing up on the scene They're going to look. Those old consoles those old games, right?
00:24:08.20
Tony Sisk
Uh, to to to remember When they were. Young. So. the whole market is going to explode. So this is actually like.
00:24:20.99
Tony Sisk
sony It's just... Kickstarting it. earlier because, you know. Because now. There's actually, they're they're literally creating.
00:24:32.14
Tony Sisk
the The thing where he existed But now. it's It's going to be something more tangible. more real as far as collectors are concerned because you just can't you're not gonna be able to get physical games anymore.
00:24:47.01
Tony Sisk
So. And what's what's available is going to continue to decline in availability. Like I was telling Vance the other day, it's like. as these people. buy up the games that are available.
00:24:58.04
Tony Sisk
and add them to the collections and then they start to die off Their collections are going to disappear most A lot of them are going to disappear into you know an attic somewhere. or you know somebody else's attic or whatever and and you'll never be seen again so the number of available games is gonna
00:25:13.13
Jaime G
But...
00:25:15.30
Tony Sisk
Drop.
00:25:16.24
Jaime G
What you just said is so true in many other areas, though. How many times have we heard that? Somebody. saved a collection of comic books in an attic for 20 plus years.
00:25:27.74
Jaime G
And there's like a little golden nugget out there that'll put your kids through college. I mean.
00:25:31.90
Tony Sisk
Right.
00:25:32.65
Jaime G
I know it's not the norm, okay? I mean, I'm... I'm not. Oblivious to that. But it has happened. Bye. comic book issues that people there's one in the whole mix that you can sell for a good amount
00:25:47.70
Tony Sisk
Yeah.
00:25:49.48
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, but it's funny you say that. Because, like... That is. becoming the norm because um Like I was telling Tony, like, I'm into, you know, like, Lego now or whatever. like that And there's a guy who are selling. what They call it GWP.
00:26:03.60
Sentfrmheaven
Jesus. It was like gift for purchase. So you have to you have to like buy something. And on the back. And it's like that limited little thing on there where there are certain GWPs that are going to... be worth a lot like Save a certain fit to put his daughter through cop.
00:26:21.12
Sentfrmheaven
And that's going to be. Lego, that's gonna be comic, that's gonna be video games. like it's just going to be certain things that are like you know just like right now somebody probably got in a a safe deposit box Assign. Michael Jordan rookie card.
00:26:34.73
Sentfrmheaven
You know, and that's going to be. You know. You know, so like, yeah, so. So it's not even you know, like as abnormal as you think it's it's very common it's just like tony said now those Those things are...
00:26:48.84
Sentfrmheaven
coming to the peak
00:26:50.68
Jaime G
The bats. You know, the is I'm psyched. I had no... recollection of this until you just said that. When my family and I were driving... to relocate here to San Antonio.
00:27:03.31
Jaime G
We stopped at a friend's house in Fort Worth, Texas. And we spent the night at his house. And he's got like a media room. And on this wall.
00:27:14.45
Jaime G
He's got this cabinet. And it's got a bunch of... MJ. trading cards some of them are like foils some of their like holographic They're even graded.
00:27:27.90
Jaime G
and and i And I saw them and I was like. Dude, I used to have some of these when I was a kid. he's like They're pretty expensive now. And his wife looked at me. She said, She said, I have to save money to give him one for his birthday.
00:27:42.43
Jaime G
So. it So it's it is become it is becoming a bit of a hobby. for a lot of people to collect these things and and be able to. you know.
00:27:52.88
Jaime G
Keep that market alive. because Nostalgia sells. I keep saying that over and over again.
00:28:00.02
Tony Sisk
Yeah. and that well What's cool about video games, it's like, I'm like a baseball card, right? or a football card or whatever sports card you want. These things sell for a ton. ah It's a huge market, right?
00:28:14.49
Tony Sisk
You put a... a card on the shelf You can admire it. It looks great. It's like art. Um, But with a video game You can play it.
00:28:27.53
Tony Sisk
And you can get like. You know. 100 hours of entertainment out of it. So it's... It's way Like. As far as I... Usable?
00:28:40.34
Tony Sisk
It's got way more depth as a collectible.
00:28:43.03
Jaime G
Agreed.
00:28:43.24
Tony Sisk
yeah
00:28:43.48
Jaime G
Agreed.
00:28:45.57
Tony Sisk
Obviously, you're one, you know. the you'll want a second copy to... D. wrapped up in the plastic. Graded.
00:28:55.24
Jaime G
Yeah, some of my games.
00:28:55.20
Tony Sisk
Good.
00:28:56.91
Jaime G
Even though I have like some. hard to find games they're not in their original you know. rapping because I've played them. I've gotten in my money's at worth out of them.
00:29:07.46
Tony Sisk
But they'll still be valuable.
00:29:09.42
Jaime G
Yeah, yeah. Just not as much, I guess.
00:29:12.14
Tony Sisk
Yeah, anyway. but Still be valuable. Bye.
00:29:16.43
Jaime G
All right. Let me...
00:29:17.42
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, because...
00:29:18.35
Jaime G
Go ahead, Vance.
00:29:18.32
Sentfrmheaven
because you figure i mean like i was telling tony i said look at some of the Super Nintendo games, some of the regular Nintendo games that are hard to find that. have value and i know a guy told me a long time ago like What Pokemon Mario like they usually hold their value?
00:29:34.87
Sentfrmheaven
So I mean like... Yeah. Bye.
00:29:38.21
Tony Sisk
Amen. If you go to the GameStop... Any... Pokemon game is worth more used.
00:29:44.56
Jaime G
I.
00:29:45.46
Tony Sisk
than it sold for when it was brand new.
00:29:47.84
Sentfrmheaven
Right.
00:29:48.52
Jaime G
Vance, I really remember that it was you. Who told me? Any Pokemon game... is one of those rare ones that will actually be worth more over time than what you bought it for when it first released.
00:30:05.11
Tony Sisk
Oh yeah.
00:30:06.03
Sentfrmheaven
Yep. No. because i mean like then there's like saying like nostalgia because i remember when they released Well, what's that? uh streets of rage for the playstation like what was the last year or
00:30:18.26
Jaime G
For Streets of Rage 4
00:30:20.13
Sentfrmheaven
She's raised for it. and it was like man like the craze like oh gotta play it you know so i can imagine like if this You know, like just. digital and like me you have like a physical copy of it like the original copy
00:30:35.100
Tony Sisk
Oh yeah. So yeah, I mean so there is a bright side to it You know. Good. Go. Go start buying up. so Again.
00:30:46.27
Tony Sisk
the the You have a window here. Right? We know. at the physical disc. are going to be stopped, you know.
00:30:57.11
Tony Sisk
production is going to be stopped.
00:30:57.52
Jaime G
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:58.89
Tony Sisk
All right. So. You're given a window. Over a couple of years here. Where. You know. where this market's going to go.
00:31:09.98
Tony Sisk
So... Now it's time. Go out there and buy find those copies of games and buy them up. Before that. window closes and then everything skyrockets.
00:31:22.21
Tony Sisk
Right.
00:31:22.24
Jaime G
here's here's Here's something that I've been thinking of, guys. and can't ki I mean, I agree with what you just said, Tony. I'm actually looking at some games and I'm like. I know that if I don't pick these up now...
00:31:35.93
Jaime G
it's not like they're going to be reprinting them in the future. But... let's Let's think about the opposite here. You know how we we, with some occasion, we'll dunk an Xbox and say, hey, Xbox has been doing stuff wrong left and right.
00:31:53.04
Jaime G
There's a new boss in town. could Xbox make this an opportunity? and flip the script much like Sony did to them back 13 years ago.
00:32:03.19
Tony Sisk
They could, but they won't.
00:32:05.30
Jaime G
But it's an opportunity. i mean Could this be the console where...
00:32:11.38
Tony Sisk
They won't.
00:32:11.78
Jaime G
I mean... I mean it's an opportunity.
00:32:12.81
Tony Sisk
yeah
00:32:14.60
Jaime G
but i But I have to give it to Xbox in this regard. I think that they're digital. storefront and Game Pass and all of that. has done a much better job.
00:32:27.18
Jaime G
and carrying over your digital library then Sony did. And...
00:32:33.30
Tony Sisk
Right.
00:32:34.47
Jaime G
Yeah, I think. I think to kind of like try to reverse that play and be like, hey, we're the physical console right now is probably not. Not. What's going to.
00:32:45.28
Jaime G
make them relevant again, but. Could it be? Like, hey, if you want to be a collector. By Xbox, kind of?
00:32:53.92
Sentfrmheaven
well i Mean there are releasing that that uh collectors. Well, it's not really collectors edition, but there are releasing that Halo Green. you know, Series X.
00:33:03.50
Jaime G
Sign me up for one of those.
00:33:04.30
Tony Sisk
Now you... You have a point there. I will give you this. i will yeah i um I'm starting... ah trying to I'm trying to... See what you're what you're getting out here.
00:33:15.14
Jaime G
Ah, see?
00:33:16.14
Tony Sisk
Okay. Say. They came up with a collectible edition. Remake. Physical. Um. The original Halo.
00:33:27.85
Tony Sisk
Right. Um, But they would have to commit to being able to play it on Xbox console so they would have to commit to having A disc.
00:33:41.33
Tony Sisk
So... But if they did do that. If they did. Go that route. I think that, i think you're I think you're right. I think that...
00:33:53.61
Tony Sisk
If they went into the whole collectible side of it. And embraced it. Uh,
00:33:58.63
Jaime G
I mean if they leaned into it.
00:34:00.75
Tony Sisk
they Sony would lose 20 % of its... player base.
00:34:04.91
Jaime G
I think so. I think so.
00:34:08.81
Tony Sisk
Which is not. insignificant number. When you think their player base is what?
00:34:11.100
Jaime G
No.
00:34:14.45
Tony Sisk
In a hundred million.
00:34:17.62
Jaime G
at I mean...
00:34:17.79
Tony Sisk
basically xbox would double their player base
00:34:19.100
Jaime G
I was going to say, if it's a guarantee, 20 % of Sony's... Play your bass right now. That's a huge chunk for Xbox. And I'm saying. They should consider that.
00:34:30.100
Tony Sisk
Yeah.
00:34:31.16
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, because... Don't forget, there was a large portion of people that bought both systems when they came out.
00:34:39.47
Sentfrmheaven
So people already have, you know.
00:34:39.76
Jaime G
Uh-huh. Mm hmm.
00:34:41.23
Sentfrmheaven
the xbox you know in you know in their possession so especially now that the price went up people are definitely holding on to their their counsel. You know, because now it's, you know, just like us. oh man you know i should have held on to my 64 or i should have held on to my gamecube So yeah, so you're telling me the cost was $650? I'm not letting it go.
00:35:02.26
Sentfrmheaven
you know and then you drop a couple of games like man i need to get it back like yeah if they release hard copies of certain games. Xbox can pull. some of Sony's players.
00:35:14.22
Sentfrmheaven
Absolutely.
00:35:14.70
Jaime G
Agreed. for sure.
00:35:17.32
Tony Sisk
Yeah, that's totally that's another aspect. of this too it's like I think. Well... I mean, you didn't, but Vance and I both. I bought uh each a copy of each of the console systems when they this this generation.
00:35:31.66
Jaime G
I was. I was about to buy an Xbox. uh console literally a year ago. And I know that it was a year ago because I just got the renewal for like the Nintendo online membership this past weekend.
00:35:45.31
Jaime G
And I was like, oh, that's when I was going to buy the Xbox.
00:35:49.57
Tony Sisk
Yeah. But like. You could get either console system. For like 400 bucks. Right? Now it's like $700 or more, right?
00:36:01.35
Tony Sisk
For the same system
00:36:02.84
Sentfrmheaven
Yep.
00:36:04.06
Jaime G
At one point, the Xbox Series X A couple years ago. uh, for like how the December holiday dropped.
00:36:15.25
Jaime G
Kid you not. to 320 bucks. Because there was somebody from church. That. called me and said is this a good deal i was like it is definitely a good deal But I but but i so i told him, but you should still get a PlayStation instead of an Xbox.
00:36:33.71
Jaime G
Bye. But he bought it, right?
00:36:36.39
Tony Sisk
Right.
00:36:36.43
Jaime G
There's no way. Imagine the console is doubled. Now. from what he bought it for.
00:36:44.85
Tony Sisk
Yeah.
00:36:46.99
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah. Yeah, insane, insane, because I mean, like. X-Wook. Because I think with the the data centers or whatever, driving the price. was it a ram or whatever but Yeah, I'm like I definitely like. um
00:37:04.68
Sentfrmheaven
like If you give me an opportunity to buy a game that... I know it's going to be something special. give me the physical copy because i bought um i never played it but uh the steel case for What was that game that everybody hated it was so buggy Amen. in a uh
00:37:22.92
Jaime G
Cyberpunk?
00:37:23.91
Tony Sisk
Cyberpunk?
00:37:24.10
Sentfrmheaven
Cyberpunk. I bought them physical.
00:37:25.38
Jaime G
Ah, hit it.
00:37:26.67
Sentfrmheaven
ah Bought this is good.
00:37:26.63
Tony Sisk
You bought the still a silver case? I mean, the steel case?
00:37:29.63
Sentfrmheaven
yeahp Yeah, yeah, I bought the game physical And I bought the steel case for Siren Punk. And I believe i I still have, you know, so I was like. You know. it's going to be it's going to be something It's going to be something.
00:37:43.47
Tony Sisk
Yeah. That's yeah. I think I... Did I buzz? I think I might have too. I just never pull it out of play his case. But.
00:37:53.76
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah. Because I mean, if...
00:37:54.68
Tony Sisk
Yeah.
00:37:55.60
Sentfrmheaven
If if anything... Can it be a testimony to the test of time? Physical. Pokemon cards. Like I do not know what the craze is but People are standing in line.
00:38:10.68
Sentfrmheaven
For hours. or to get their hands on it, to touch it, to say, I got one in my hand. Like Willy Wonka and the Golden Ticket, I've got one in my hand.
00:38:21.02
Tony Sisk
Yeah.
00:38:21.17
Sentfrmheaven
yeah nobody wants to nobody wants to buy anything digital be like show my phone like hey look yeah i got it digital I guess it's cool, you know, it's digital. But yeah, if you... I've got one.
00:38:31.100
Sentfrmheaven
Got one in the hand.
00:38:34.80
Tony Sisk
yeah that's what you're saying yeah exactly i've got One of these rare things. Only I. ah So.
00:38:45.87
Jaime G
I mean, here's here's an example. I mean... Ciao nini. About. I don't know. 12, 18 months ago. Didn't you go through some of your collection of like maybe old GameCube games?
00:39:00.61
Jaime G
And you like sold a couple things that you might have either had. more than one copy of or something that was like
00:39:07.06
Tony Sisk
Mm hmm.
00:39:08.40
Jaime G
valuable for for some people.
00:39:08.78
Tony Sisk
Yeah.
00:39:11.29
Tony Sisk
Oh yeah. Yeah, so.
00:39:13.09
Jaime G
All right.
00:39:14.01
Tony Sisk
I saw the a couple of games for like $85 a piece.
00:39:19.48
Jaime G
Yeah, so I'm...
00:39:20.68
Tony Sisk
And they were. You know. used and... Scratched up. and
00:39:26.03
Sentfrmheaven
m
00:39:26.13
Tony Sisk
You know?
00:39:27.72
Jaime G
Right. So so we're going to lose that. i think I think as a consumer. I know that it's been happening a lot more. than I would care to admit.
00:39:38.33
Jaime G
because there is that article that was published that said that only seven games in 2026 have sold more than a hundred thousand physical copies.
00:39:50.37
Jaime G
I think that's all the research that...
00:39:50.81
Tony Sisk
Mm hmm.
00:39:52.24
Jaime G
Sony. is going to lean on. but i i myself have found my have found that in many cases Like Riz and he will wreck him. Resident Evil 9 Expedition 33.
00:40:04.50
Tony Sisk
Yeah.
00:40:06.25
Jaime G
I bought them all digital. know when i was going to get the physical because i wanted to have the physical
00:40:10.55
Tony Sisk
Right. Right. Well, they limited the print run.
00:40:15.03
Jaime G
Yeah, they did.
00:40:17.88
Tony Sisk
how they that's I think I made a comment about that that article or that research. you you you're mentioning about oh you know only So many hundred thousand copies but were sold, the rest were digital.
00:40:30.66
Tony Sisk
And then they're going to use that argument. to say that's why. We're going digital. Well, you purposely limited the print run. Like. It was. Almost two weeks before I could get the physical copy.
00:40:45.44
Tony Sisk
I would.
00:40:45.65
Jaime G
Exactly.
00:40:46.21
Tony Sisk
I refuse to buy a digital copy. Because I was looking for the physical copy and then nobody had it because you guys didn't make enough. Then you could eat.
00:40:54.02
Jaime G
That's that.
00:40:54.30
Sentfrmheaven
Right.
00:40:55.07
Tony Sisk
Yeah.
00:40:55.56
Jaime G
There was a shortage for sure. And you know, I... Let me read right here what those seven games were and tell me. Tell me if you guys are surprised. of any of these titles being on the list.
00:41:08.81
Jaime G
Resident Evil Requiem. Surprised or not surprised?
00:41:12.82
Tony Sisk
what's the list again
00:41:14.65
Jaime G
The list of the the seven games. that have reportedly sold More than a hundred thousand. physical copies. this year.
00:41:23.95
Sentfrmheaven
Okay. Not surprised.
00:41:24.44
Tony Sisk
Okay.
00:41:25.68
Jaime G
Not surprised me neither.
00:41:25.90
Tony Sisk
Yeah, not surprised. Huge, huge franchise.
00:41:27.70
Jaime G
Crimson Desert.
00:41:30.31
Tony Sisk
I'm actually surprised by that one.
00:41:32.29
Jaime G
Me too. Me too.
00:41:34.79
Sentfrmheaven
Surprise.
00:41:35.22
Jaime G
Ah. MLB The Show 26.
00:41:39.58
Sentfrmheaven
Surprise.
00:41:40.41
Jaime G
Very surprised.
00:41:41.60
Tony Sisk
Yeah, I'm surprised by that.
00:41:43.89
Jaime G
007 First Light.
00:41:46.35
Tony Sisk
I'm not surprised by that
00:41:47.44
Jaime G
Not surprised.
00:41:49.72
Sentfrmheaven
I'm surprised.
00:41:51.34
Jaime G
ah All right. This one I did not expect to be on the list. Lego Batman Legacy of the Dark Knight.
00:41:59.37
Sentfrmheaven
Not surprised.
00:42:00.05
Tony Sisk
I'm not surprised by that
00:42:01.34
Jaime G
I'm super surprised. I didn't know that the Lego game sold that much.
00:42:04.18
Tony Sisk
The Lego franchise is huge.
00:42:08.52
Jaime G
Yeah. Okay.
00:42:09.53
Sentfrmheaven
Huge.
00:42:09.88
Jaime G
Alright. All right. 2K26.
00:42:14.83
Sentfrmheaven
Not surprised.
00:42:15.62
Jaime G
Not surprised.
00:42:18.78
Jaime G
Bye.
00:42:19.04
Tony Sisk
Hmm.
00:42:19.30
Jaime G
Last one.
00:42:20.38
Tony Sisk
Thanks.
00:42:21.35
Jaime G
This game is the last one that sold over 100 ,000 copies. Black Op 7.
00:42:29.91
Sentfrmheaven
I'm not surprised.
00:42:30.89
Tony Sisk
I'm not surprised by that.
00:42:31.18
Jaime G
I'm not.
00:42:31.98
Tony Sisk
He's got a huge fan base.
00:42:31.64
Jaime G
I mean, I actually. Exactly. That's one of those that. consistently, even with the whole game game pass debacle. It's got to be one of the best selling games there year after year.
00:42:44.43
Jaime G
2K26 I would expect the same. The show? Okay, didn't know that. lego games for me definitely were was a surprise but i would I wasn't the that surprised for Rekim or 007.
00:42:59.33
Tony Sisk
Right. Well, like I said, it took forever to find a copy of.
00:43:00.55
Jaime G
Yeah.
00:43:00.52
Sentfrmheaven
hu
00:43:03.14
Tony Sisk
Right, Cleo?
00:43:04.62
Jaime G
I still haven't bought it by the way.
00:43:04.88
Tony Sisk
And.
00:43:06.47
Jaime G
Because I'm a whole... I wanted to get the the the special edition and and I never bought it. Well... Amazon canceled my pre-order.
00:43:14.26
Sentfrmheaven
world
00:43:16.12
Jaime G
is what happened.
00:43:16.59
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, I remember that
00:43:19.16
Tony Sisk
So...
00:43:19.37
Sentfrmheaven
What was crazy is...
00:43:20.36
Tony Sisk
Good.
00:43:20.74
Sentfrmheaven
Right now if you want a sealed Copy. 2003. GameCube. Mario Kart Double Dash.
00:43:31.91
Tony Sisk
That's a good one
00:43:32.99
Jaime G
That, though yeah.
00:43:34.46
Sentfrmheaven
That's you're looking anywhere from like 350 to up
00:43:34.72
Jaime G
200 bucks.
00:43:38.22
Jaime G
Yeah. Yeah.
00:43:39.63
Sentfrmheaven
There's there's one online. That's I guess one of the highest grades was 6 ,500.
00:43:45.98
Tony Sisk
So.
00:43:47.71
Jaime G
Okay, gamers, if you're listening to this, you're gonna lose all that. Because even having the collection. As somebody who just moved and had to like. pack up all my collection of video games and move them.
00:44:01.37
Jaime G
I have had so many fun memories. like Just packing a game and being like. Oh, I remember when I bought this or, Hey, I remember when I played this or like, Hey, this is one of the games that Tony says I never returned. Yeah.
00:44:14.86
Sentfrmheaven
ah
00:44:16.24
Tony Sisk
Right. I mean.
00:44:21.03
Tony Sisk
They'll lose it, yes. But at the same time. They're getting. Get out. The collectible aspect is going to skyrocket. And it's just not limited to.
00:44:33.99
Tony Sisk
video games and and these other things that we've talked about pokemon cards whatever you literally see it every in every aspect of our society right now Uh, Premium.
00:44:44.63
Jaime G
What?
00:44:45.82
Tony Sisk
Like premium pre right now let me let me just finish my thought here so premium products. is is What is selling right now? Vance and I.
00:44:57.84
Tony Sisk
Work for the airline. And. We've just gone through a huge transformation. where We're going premium. Right. uh, better, uh,
00:45:11.47
Tony Sisk
Better seats. Better service, supposedly. uh More options. All this is selling at a premium. Other companies are doing this too, right?
00:45:24.66
Tony Sisk
people The people that have the money to spend. They want to buy something that will set them apart. Right. they They want to be. First class, they want to have.
00:45:36.56
Tony Sisk
something showy. again with a sparkly watch or shiny car They want people to know that they've got these things. And.
00:45:47.67
Tony Sisk
That's kind of like how our society and... The economy is trending where we are catering to people. With the money. Um, to buy these things.
00:46:00.12
Tony Sisk
So... Everybody else. Is kind of like, you know, if you can't buy it. Well, here's what's left for you. And in this aspect, it's digital Right?
00:46:13.06
Tony Sisk
So... With the collectible aspect... Now. You're gonna be able to. Charge a premium. for those collectibles. Right. So.
00:46:26.48
Tony Sisk
Those limited editions. I guarantee you Sony ain't done with no physical discs. They a' done. They're done mass-producing physical discs.
00:46:38.47
Tony Sisk
I guarantee you that. in Three years' time? a year after the last factory prints its last disc. Guess what's going to roll out?
00:46:47.36
Sentfrmheaven
Unlimited Edition.
00:46:48.49
Tony Sisk
A limited edition copy of...
00:46:48.63
Jaime G
Yeah.
00:46:51.84
Tony Sisk
The Last of Us.
00:46:53.71
Jaime G
Yeah.
00:46:53.95
Tony Sisk
Made by a third-party company. that just so happens to be owned by Sony.
00:47:00.41
Jaime G
let Let me...
00:47:00.85
Tony Sisk
$200 a copy.
00:47:03.00
Jaime G
Yeah. Yeah. Now that. God I see. That I see, but.
00:47:06.59
Tony Sisk
Right.
00:47:06.74
Jaime G
But. But Tony, you said you said something in in in your last statement there that... Got the gears spinning in my head. You said... the benefit.
00:47:19.13
Jaime G
Whoa. Okay. Uh... I know that corporations They say they care about the consumer, but in the long run, and you... like you can poke holes into that argument.
00:47:30.59
Jaime G
What is the benefit for the consumer in this move? and your and your thoughts just
00:47:36.56
Tony Sisk
There's no benefit for the mass market consumer.
00:47:40.13
Jaime G
No, right? Because... They're not going to sell the games cheaper. I've made this argument for years.
00:47:45.21
Tony Sisk
Oh no, they're never going to sell them cheaper.
00:47:46.24
Jaime G
physical Exactly.
00:47:48.85
Tony Sisk
They're going to make it more difficult.
00:47:49.02
Jaime G
Now they don't.
00:47:49.82
Tony Sisk
they the There's there's not gonna be cells all those cells.
00:47:51.90
Jaime G
I mean, they don't
00:47:53.86
Tony Sisk
Did you see?
00:47:54.56
Jaime G
Yes. Yes.
00:47:56.25
Tony Sisk
uh you know the weekend sale the holiday sale whatever they're gonna be not as good as they once were because now they don't have to compete with the used market.
00:48:05.36
Jaime G
Yes. Yes, there you go. There you go. So... I mean the only the only thing i could make an argument for is accessibility to the consumer and being like You can get this.
00:48:18.04
Jaime G
on your console the second it dropped Okay.
00:48:21.74
Tony Sisk
I mean that's the only Yeah.
00:48:23.74
Sentfrmheaven
ah
00:48:23.81
Tony Sisk
that's why pete That's why the majority of their sales are digital because that's why they drop these games in the middle of the night at midnight.
00:48:24.41
Jaime G
Is it?
00:48:32.42
Tony Sisk
Right. Because you can't go out of the store and buy it at midnight.
00:48:35.69
Jaime G
Right, right.
00:48:37.03
Sentfrmheaven
right
00:48:37.20
Jaime G
So. But I don't think there's anything else.
00:48:37.97
Tony Sisk
no
00:48:39.38
Jaime G
I mean. I've made... I've made the whole. bit in this in this podcast some some many moons ago about... how much money... Um, a digital copy.
00:48:52.65
Jaime G
Gibbs. Sony or Xbox versus a physical. They're making on average six to eight bucks more on ah on a digital copy. Well now They're making that six to eight bucks. every single time because there is no option.
00:49:09.16
Jaime G
You have no choice.
00:49:11.62
Sentfrmheaven
You know what? I would say. That... Whoa. Outside of. them having to pay who they pay. But. Those games that are shipped out to the stores are shipped out at a discount price.
00:49:28.05
Sentfrmheaven
Because they're not you know, the stores aren't buying a hundred copies at $80 a pop It's just not doing it. So now digitally. If I'm buying a direct from Microsoft or direct from Sony.
00:49:39.85
Sentfrmheaven
They're getting a bigger chunk of that pie.
00:49:41.75
Jaime G
Exactly.
00:49:41.97
Sentfrmheaven
No.
00:49:42.12
Jaime G
Exactly my point.
00:49:42.73
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah. Like the only.
00:49:43.31
Jaime G
Yep.
00:49:44.92
Sentfrmheaven
The only. and benefit I can see. Two. the consumer is If you have multiple. Well. if you have the same console in your house but most like me So I have Three keys. two are on xbox one's on playstation well with the two xbox they can game share If they don't cut that option off.
00:50:06.62
Sentfrmheaven
But.
00:50:07.76
Tony Sisk
Well, here's the thing
00:50:08.04
Sentfrmheaven
Other than that
00:50:09.06
Tony Sisk
Consuls are dead.
00:50:12.49
Tony Sisk
With this move consoles are dead Because... why would a Why would a retailer... Want to carry consoles anymore? Because you're not going to be selling any games.
00:50:25.18
Sentfrmheaven
Right.
00:50:25.50
Jaime G
Yeah. Right.
00:50:27.33
Sentfrmheaven
Show me empty space. Hmm.
00:50:30.15
Tony Sisk
Yeah, so... Traditional console. Gaming is dead. after this.
00:50:37.05
Sentfrmheaven
You have to do...
00:50:36.82
Tony Sisk
Now now they're gonna do exactly what Xbox has been trying to do Your TV is an Xbox. Your phone is an Xbox.
00:50:43.79
Jaime G
oh What was that that that campaign? Eh eh. everything everything has an xbox
00:50:52.01
Sentfrmheaven
Right. Yeah, because you figured You're only going to be selling accessories at this point.
00:50:57.15
Tony Sisk
That. That Sony handheld's inbound. Next announcement. All digital handheld.
00:51:03.94
Jaime G
Wait, we already have one.
00:51:06.59
Tony Sisk
I'll see. They don't keep new products around for long before they introduce its replacement.
00:51:12.35
Jaime G
Yeah.
00:51:15.17
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:18.73
Tony Sisk
Soon as they can figure out the memory issue.
00:51:18.87
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, good.
00:51:24.61
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, I mean with But yeah, I mean, I mean just like you said though, but I mean the memories that you have on console and I mean just I mean just even physical copies like just like anything without the internet like uh you know Jaime was talking about you know like growing up and like you know playing like going to the arcade And, you know, stuff like that is just, you know, like I remember.
00:51:44.78
Sentfrmheaven
Man, like. Back in my young days like calling up from work like trying to be like halo It's like four of us, you know trying to get the skulls like I like like man you know like so many so many memories man like i remember when i think it was was a PlayStation 2.
00:52:01.24
Sentfrmheaven
Street fighter Street Fighter EX3. I think dropped. Like... it's Man all the battles like but you know like it wasn't online it was you know
00:52:13.71
Jaime G
Dude.
00:52:13.88
Sentfrmheaven
Right there
00:52:14.88
Jaime G
Land parties. Remember them?
00:52:16.83
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah. Right. Okay.
00:52:18.40
Jaime G
Dude, dude, I couldn't even tell you. It was around. Two thousand. Eight or 2009 because it was like right before I got married When. Halo ODST dropped.
00:52:30.94
Jaime G
for Xbox 360. the Oh, i actually it was the same buddy who I went to his place in Fort in fort fort Worth. Aye. We were living and working in South Carolina at the time.
00:52:42.99
Jaime G
We... Hugh. sent out this mass email to like a bunch of the new engineers and he was like Halo LAN party. Friday, my house. You went to his house. Dude, I'm telling you, like still 2008 or 2009.
00:52:57.72
Jaime G
There was like Two televisions. two xboxes and like all the i The biggest problem we had is we actually had to go to Walmart. like and get like a little ethernet switch because we didn't have one but But like all those things were amazing.
00:53:15.18
Jaime G
Right. So. I mean, obviously you can make the argument that you can have like a lamb party without the physical disc anymore but i'm just saying it's those memories that you're like Remember when I did this? Remember when I...
00:53:28.75
Jaime G
you know. like you Like you were just saying, play Street Fighter EX. Or no, not EX, you said Alpha? Three year.
00:53:36.69
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, yeah x3 mm-hmm
00:53:38.97
Jaime G
yeah All that's gone, man.
00:53:41.53
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah.
00:53:41.58
Jaime G
Now it's like remember that day. I downloaded that game. I don't even remember when I download things man
00:53:45.01
Sentfrmheaven
sir
00:53:47.59
Sentfrmheaven
right i
00:53:47.78
Jaime G
there is no emotion because i can just grab my phone hit click download it and then get Get home from work and play. There is no memories in that.
00:53:58.09
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah
00:53:58.57
Tony Sisk
Oh I have memories.
00:54:00.69
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah. the
00:54:01.58
Tony Sisk
I have memories of buying our digital game. And. And being in a party with other people and then listening to them. Play the game. While I wait for my... ah game to download over the next two hours because there's so many people trying to Download the game.
00:54:21.03
Tony Sisk
ah
00:54:20.68
Sentfrmheaven
Right. Right. Like. Meh. Or like. I remember as a kid. Like, you know, when GameStop, not GameStop, when Blockbuster started, you know, like introducing like, you know, the ability to.
00:54:32.86
Sentfrmheaven
uh rent games and stuff like that like you know friday night man you know you Or you get in the car, you know. parents already got the little bag of blockbuster you're looking at a bag and'm like oh yeah like ah i Like.
00:54:44.47
Sentfrmheaven
Can't wait to hear that crack in it. Grrr. You know, like. Now. Digital. Like yeah digital
00:54:54.71
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah, I remember one community was talking about hanging up on somebody like, you know what the cell phone is Just not the same as slamming the phone on a receiver
00:55:01.26
Jaime G
Oh, for real?
00:55:01.24
Tony Sisk
That's it. Yik yiki.
00:55:02.79
Jaime G
Forget this.
00:55:04.87
Tony Sisk
I mean you could You could argue that. The reason Call of Duty became such a hit. And this is the number one selling game. is because...
00:55:15.91
Tony Sisk
All the years that people had to go stand. In front of the GameStop. For hours. They get their copy. And then, you know, so you're out there with 100 other dudes. It's like.
00:55:30.45
Tony Sisk
You're gearing up to go to war, you know. And then you get your get you get your equipment, you go home, I'll see you guys online.
00:55:32.91
Sentfrmheaven
Right.
00:55:37.24
Sentfrmheaven
Right.
00:55:38.93
Jaime G
It's my point still.
00:55:39.35
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah.
00:55:40.00
Jaime G
It was an experience. Getting a physical game.
00:55:45.65
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah And it's crazy because there's people. who I've added. as far as like on my friends list. And it's like now. Don't even play with him Play with him again. You know, like, you know. I'll meet him in game.
00:55:59.37
Sentfrmheaven
Adam, whatever. but like you said with GameStop back in the day it was different because now I'm talking to this person. I can hear the knowledge of the game. We've have experienced things and now I'm writing this person's, you know, name down, you know, like, OK, man, you know. When I get home, I'm gonna add you, you know, and...
00:56:16.54
Sentfrmheaven
you add that person because you you you develop some type of rapport with this person You know now it's like, you know, I'm lying i don't know if i really like the way this guy play you know i don't really know this guy
00:56:26.75
Tony Sisk
ah
00:56:30.99
Tony Sisk
Right. Yeah. that convenience came with a price.
00:56:36.56
Sentfrmheaven
Right. Right. All right. but Yeah. Yeah. But a lot of things going there.
00:56:47.50
Sentfrmheaven
digital only but um No. If y 'all are listening, hold on to your physical copies. Hold on to him. I don't care if it's...
00:56:55.12
Tony Sisk
Yeah.
00:56:55.96
Sentfrmheaven
a
00:56:56.61
Jaime G
Oh, was it? what
00:56:57.13
Sentfrmheaven
Kazooie and Bandit. Hold on to it.
00:57:00.43
Jaime G
Wait, did did I send you guys that that article? that As soon as somebody realized that physical games were like gonna go away in a couple years they went to gamestop and sold like their whole collection
00:57:13.98
Tony Sisk
Yeah, why would you do that
00:57:15.18
Jaime G
I was like why?
00:57:16.55
Sentfrmheaven
because they didn't listen to the podcast.
00:57:17.86
Jaime G
Why?
00:57:20.06
Tony Sisk
You don't buy, you don't sell now.
00:57:23.28
Jaime G
You wait for sure.
00:57:25.33
Tony Sisk
Did I tell you guys that somebody stole my copy? Of. Fortnite.
00:57:32.32
Sentfrmheaven
Yes.
00:57:32.38
Jaime G
Yes.
00:57:33.12
Tony Sisk
Yes.
00:57:33.22
Sentfrmheaven
Yes.
00:57:33.96
Jaime G
High schooler.
00:57:36.29
Tony Sisk
Yeah.
00:57:37.33
Jaime G
If you're listening. We're on to you.
00:57:39.92
Tony Sisk
m Yeah.
00:57:41.66
Sentfrmheaven
Yep.
00:57:42.43
Tony Sisk
one of the rare copies
00:57:42.75
Sentfrmheaven
That's crazy
00:57:45.34
Tony Sisk
of fortnight before it was a battle royale
00:57:51.73
Tony Sisk
Yep. So. Now all I have is an empty box.
00:57:54.84
Jaime G
Woo! Oh, Tony. Was it for PlayStation 4?
00:58:00.89
Tony Sisk
Yeah. Yeah. I was.
00:58:03.97
Jaime G
It's on eBay for sale for 4 ,500 bucks.
00:58:06.91
Tony Sisk
Yeah. I'm sure. ah
00:58:10.57
Sentfrmheaven
Hey.
00:58:12.26
Jaime G
I mean, facts.
00:58:12.37
Sentfrmheaven
I found one. ah
00:58:13.48
Jaime G
Fact check me on this, but it is. I mean, there's there's some that are like... 80 bucks, but there's some that are like 4 ,500 bucks.
00:58:21.33
Sentfrmheaven
$4 ,500?
00:58:21.43
Jaime G
okay
00:58:22.26
Sentfrmheaven
I got one for $10 ,000.
00:58:22.90
Jaime G
Mm hmm.
00:58:24.94
Tony Sisk
Yeah.
00:58:27.57
Jaime G
Okay. High schooler kid?
00:58:28.47
Tony Sisk
If you're going to... i mean yeah if you're gonna
00:58:29.85
Jaime G
We really are onto you.
00:58:31.19
Tony Sisk
steal the copy at least take the case with you jeez
00:58:31.82
Sentfrmheaven
okay They didn't take the case up but they took the case
00:58:35.38
Tony Sisk
Oh, they left the gate.
00:58:36.81
Sentfrmheaven
Oh.
00:58:37.28
Jaime G
ah Oh! Although he's not getting top dollar for it now.
00:58:42.43
Sentfrmheaven
Nah.
00:58:44.57
Tony Sisk
Awful. ah But anyway, yeah. So it'll be interesting to see.
00:58:50.96
Jaime G
Oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh, Tony, Tony.
00:58:52.71
Tony Sisk
Oh, oh.
00:58:53.36
Jaime G
There's. There's somebody on eBay selling a Fortnite game. Without the case.
00:58:59.02
Tony Sisk
Nope.
00:59:00.05
Jaime G
We found him.
00:59:01.61
Tony Sisk
ah Don't track them down.
00:59:05.95
Jaime G
Yeah.
00:59:06.55
Sentfrmheaven
Mm-hmm.
00:59:07.51
Jaime G
Shipping from Tennessee. Hmm.
00:59:09.57
Tony Sisk
Go ahead.
00:59:13.19
Tony Sisk
Yeah, so it's going to be fascinating to see the changes in the the industry and over the next couple of years in regards to this. Right. So, you know, there's a big move. The people are trying to fight back and stuff like that. um't it's not gonna go anywhere but We'll see.
00:59:27.18
Tony Sisk
We need a... I'm interested to see how it plays out.
00:59:32.07
Jaime G
do Okay. I asked a question about Xbox earlier. Last question that I have and then I'll just keep quiet. Do you think now? That. Maybe Nintendo follow suit And they say.
00:59:45.66
Jaime G
I mean, because now they have like a a digital storefront. And they say, okay. We're going to do away with physical games. Everything digital.
00:59:55.43
Jaime G
And if not white. Why do they get away with it?
00:59:57.90
Tony Sisk
Don't they have like some sort of different system? Like. you can like they sell the codes right like every digital copy has like a code that's associated with it.
01:00:07.24
Sentfrmheaven
Yeah has like their own code
01:00:10.45
Tony Sisk
It's just not a blank copy. It's like. Every digital version is a separate identify. It's kind of like. ah
01:00:20.54
Tony Sisk
They ah
01:00:24.82
Tony Sisk
I can't remember what it's called. where every digital anything made digitally uh, had A unique. identifier. Do it.
01:00:34.44
Jaime G
uh-huh
01:00:35.52
Tony Sisk
So...
01:00:38.57
Tony Sisk
I don't know. Maybe Sony drives that, but I don't know.
01:00:43.67
Jaime G
It's uncharted territory for Sony right now. But they are getting a lot of. fire for this.
01:00:52.08
Tony Sisk
Right? All right Well. We'll see. You guys he got anything else? For this episode.
01:00:59.67
Jaime G
Biophysical.
01:01:01.29
Tony Sisk
Bye, physical.
01:01:02.17
Sentfrmheaven
Bye, physical.
01:01:03.08
Tony Sisk
by my physical Yes. when I put them on sale. ah But not today. ah
01:01:10.52
Sentfrmheaven
And that's the day.
01:01:11.01
Jaime G
ah
01:01:13.31
Tony Sisk
All right Well that's a wrap for this episode. I'm going to catch you guys in the next one.
01:01:18.92
Jaime G
See you guys.
01:01:20.20
Sentfrmheaven
Later.
